Gears & Axles Driveshafts | Rearends | Differentials | Gears | 12 Bolt | 9 Inch | Dana

New Moser M9 rear with Moser torque arm!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 11-07-2007 | 06:43 AM
  #121  
EPP's Avatar
EPP
Thread Starter
FormerVendor
iTrader: (22)
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 13,063
Likes: 2
Smile

Originally Posted by Beaflag VonRathburg
I'm also wondering this as I'd like to narrow 5-5.5 / side.



Both
I'll have to check but I was thinking 3.5" off of each side was the max, unless you start relocating suspension items. Bob
Old 11-07-2007 | 06:57 AM
  #122  
EPP's Avatar
EPP
Thread Starter
FormerVendor
iTrader: (22)
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 13,063
Likes: 2
Smile

Originally Posted by LSGunZ28
wait is this just a torque arm , or is this m9 a housing as well. Im confused.
Anytime you have a rear with larger diameter housing tubes, with spring perches sitting on top of the housing, you have the potential for the rear to sit up slightly higher. Typically with the 12 bolt this is hardly noticeable.
The 12 bolt does weigh more than your old 10 bolt, but I am really surprised you can feel the difference. I am impressed, you must have a lot of road racing experience.
I recommend that you tack-weld the torque arm bolts to their nuts to keep them from loosening up, since even loctite is not keeping them tight for you.
Do indeed get the pinion angle correctly adjusted, this can make a huge difference in how well your car hooks up coming out of the corners. You will probably notice an even better driving feel with the torque arm properly adjusted.

As far as the M9 goes, this is a complete new rear-end assembly that just became available from Moser. This rear requires the use of Moser's own torque arm as well. I have this new rear in my own Camaro, shown here.
http://www.exoticperformanceplus.com...Car.php?car=12

This new rear is 42lb's lighter than a standard Moser 9 inch F body rear. This new rear is now also going to be available made completely out of chromemoly, making it much lighter! Would this be as light, or lighter than your stock 10 bolt? I don't know yet, but weights should be available soon. Bob
Old 11-07-2007 | 08:37 AM
  #123  
SSOTRUE's Avatar
Staging Lane
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 56
Likes: 0
From: Central Illinois
Default

edit: nevermind I found the answer
Old 11-07-2007 | 06:33 PM
  #124  
EPP's Avatar
EPP
Thread Starter
FormerVendor
iTrader: (22)
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 13,063
Likes: 2
Smile

Originally Posted by SSOTRUE
edit: nevermind I found the answer
A new option from Moser is having the anti roll bar mounting brackets already welded to the rear, for the use of the BMR X-treme anti roll bar. The price for the welded brackets is $50.00. This will give you the option of having the M9 rear powder coated from Moser with the brackets already welded. Bob
Old 11-08-2007 | 01:05 AM
  #125  
LSGunZ28's Avatar
11 Second Club

iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,451
Likes: 0
From: Pasadena, CA
Default

Originally Posted by Exotic Performance Plus
Anytime you have a rear with larger diameter housing tubes, with spring perches sitting on top of the housing, you have the potential for the rear to sit up slightly higher. Typically with the 12 bolt this is hardly noticeable.
The 12 bolt does weigh more than your old 10 bolt, but I am really surprised you can feel the difference. I am impressed, you must have a lot of road racing experience.
I recommend that you tack-weld the torque arm bolts to their nuts to keep them from loosening up, since even loctite is not keeping them tight for you.
Do indeed get the pinion angle correctly adjusted, this can make a huge difference in how well your car hooks up coming out of the corners. You will probably notice an even better driving feel with the torque arm properly adjusted.

As far as the M9 goes, this is a complete new rear-end assembly that just became available from Moser. This rear requires the use of Moser's own torque arm as well. I have this new rear in my own Camaro, shown here.
http://www.exoticperformanceplus.com...Car.php?car=12

This new rear is 42lb's lighter than a standard Moser 9 inch F body rear. This new rear is now also going to be available made completely out of chromemoly, making it much lighter! Would this be as light, or lighter than your stock 10 bolt? I don't know yet, but weights should be available soon. Bob
well Bob, if it indeed is lighter or as light as the 10 bolt. I would buy it and sell my 12 bolt.

Also I dont have too much road racing expoerience, Ive lonly been to 2, all day long track meets. but maybe Im sensitive to change in the car, even though I felt no difference when I ported my own Throttlebody.
Old 11-08-2007 | 05:14 AM
  #126  
EPP's Avatar
EPP
Thread Starter
FormerVendor
iTrader: (22)
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 13,063
Likes: 2
Smile

Originally Posted by LSGunZ28
well Bob, if it indeed is lighter or as light as the 10 bolt. I would buy it and sell my 12 bolt.

Also I dont have too much road racing expoerience, Ive lonly been to 2, all day long track meets. but maybe Im sensitive to change in the car, even though I felt no difference when I ported my own Throttlebody.
Hopefully I can get a listing the all of the weights of the housing, with each one set up the same. Bob
Old 11-08-2007 | 08:32 AM
  #127  
SSOTRUE's Avatar
Staging Lane
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 56
Likes: 0
From: Central Illinois
Default

Originally Posted by Exotic Performance Plus
A new option from Moser is having the anti roll bar mounting brackets already welded to the rear, for the use of the BMR X-treme anti roll bar. The price for the welded brackets is $50.00. This will give you the option of having the M9 rear powder coated from Moser with the brackets already welded. Bob

Thats funny you caught my question before I edited it. Thanks a bunch!
Old 11-08-2007 | 11:17 AM
  #128  
Torkman15's Avatar
10 Second Moderator

iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 559
Likes: 0
From: Mid Michigan
Default

OK I weighed a stock 10 bolt w/3.42s and torsen diff without brakes, brake brackets, lube and no Tq arm. It weighed 138.6 pounds. I have a Spohn cro mo tq arm and I weighed it with bolts and crossmember. It weighed 30.8 pounds. I cant find a stock tq arm anywhere (I know I have a couple of them) but I'm thinking when I weighed the first stocker I took off it was around 19 pounds.

This is most peoples starting point so lets just start here and start comparing off actual weights of actual production parts that you or I can put on a scale and make a sound decision from.

Good luck, Tom
Old 11-09-2007 | 06:43 AM
  #129  
EPP's Avatar
EPP
Thread Starter
FormerVendor
iTrader: (22)
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 13,063
Likes: 2
Thumbs up

Originally Posted by Torkman15
OK I weighed a stock 10 bolt w/3.42s and torsen diff without brakes, brake brackets, lube and no Tq arm. It weighed 138.6 pounds. I have a Spohn cro mo tq arm and I weighed it with bolts and crossmember. It weighed 30.8 pounds. I cant find a stock tq arm anywhere (I know I have a couple of them) but I'm thinking when I weighed the first stocker I took off it was around 19 pounds.

This is most peoples starting point so lets just start here and start comparing off actual weights of actual production parts that you or I can put on a scale and make a sound decision from.

Good luck, Tom
Thanks Tom! We have a new Moser 9 inch (not the new M9) at the shop that we will weigh. This particular 9 inch has a spool and 35 spline axles, and I'm not sure if it has the alum case or not. I'll check today. This particular customer purchaed this rear from me six months ago, and brought it with him when he dropped off his car for us to build the engine. he wants to now go with a Truetrac so we should be able to get several weights from this one. Bob
Old 11-09-2007 | 06:44 AM
  #130  
EPP's Avatar
EPP
Thread Starter
FormerVendor
iTrader: (22)
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 13,063
Likes: 2
Thumbs up

Originally Posted by SSOTRUE
Thats funny you caught my question before I edited it. Thanks a bunch!
Not a problem. Bob
Old 11-09-2007 | 06:51 AM
  #131  
EPP's Avatar
EPP
Thread Starter
FormerVendor
iTrader: (22)
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 13,063
Likes: 2
Thumbs up

Originally Posted by Torkman15
OK I weighed a stock 10 bolt w/3.42s and torsen diff without brakes, brake brackets, lube and no Tq arm. It weighed 138.6 pounds. I have a Spohn cro mo tq arm and I weighed it with bolts and crossmember. It weighed 30.8 pounds. I cant find a stock tq arm anywhere (I know I have a couple of them) but I'm thinking when I weighed the first stocker I took off it was around 19 pounds.

This is most peoples starting point so lets just start here and start comparing off actual weights of actual production parts that you or I can put on a scale and make a sound decision from.

Good luck, Tom


"We were curious about the additional weight of a Moser compared to stock and it was 47 lbs. heavier."

This was from my '99 Camaro from about five years ago. It was a Moser 12 bolt with the Performance cover, 33 spline gears and an Eaton center and it had ABS. Adding 47 pounds to your 10 bolts weight would put my old 12 bolt at 185.6 lbs. We can use this weight to compare it to other 12 bolts to get an average on the 12 bolts. Bob
Old 11-09-2007 | 11:16 PM
  #132  
EPP's Avatar
EPP
Thread Starter
FormerVendor
iTrader: (22)
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 13,063
Likes: 2
Default

Another new Moser M9 option. Lower control arm relocation brackets already welded to the housing assembly. $100.00. Bob
Old 11-10-2007 | 05:24 AM
  #133  
BIG BAD BLACKSS's Avatar
TECH Resident
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 982
Likes: 1
From: Chicago
Default

Any idea on how much more it will be in chrome moly? Im guessing this ones gonna have a lil sticker shock to it! lol
Old 11-10-2007 | 08:22 AM
  #134  
EPP's Avatar
EPP
Thread Starter
FormerVendor
iTrader: (22)
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 13,063
Likes: 2
Thumbs up

Originally Posted by BIG BAD BLACKSS
Any idea on how much more it will be in chrome moly? Im guessing this ones gonna have a lil sticker shock to it! lol
I need to double check the price, but I believe it is $225.00. Bob
Old 11-10-2007 | 12:56 PM
  #135  
EPP's Avatar
EPP
Thread Starter
FormerVendor
iTrader: (22)
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 13,063
Likes: 2
Default

For those overseas orders who are inquiring about shipping cost, e-mail us by asking Diane for a shipping quote. Diane@exoticperformanceplus.com is her e-mail address. Thanks! Bob
Old 11-11-2007 | 03:49 PM
  #136  
EPP's Avatar
EPP
Thread Starter
FormerVendor
iTrader: (22)
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 13,063
Likes: 2
Smile Moser M9 MSRP Prices

PART # DESCRIPTION PRICE
M9 HOUSINGS
Mild Steel
M9 Dragster Can (No Brackets) 495
M9 Dragster Can w/ Four-Link Brackets Installed 995


M9 Dragster Can w/ Swing-Arm Brackets Installed
995


M9 Dragster Can w/ Solid-Mount Brackets Installed
995

Chrome-Moly
M9 Moly Dragster Can (No Brackets) 695
M9 Moly Dragster Can w/ Four-Link Brackets Installed 1495


M9 Moly Dragster Can w/ Swing-Arm Brackets Installed
1495


M9 Moly Dragster Can w/ Solid-Mount Brackets Installed
1495

M9 Complete Package
Package Includes: Mild Steel M9 Bare Drag Can, 35 Spline Axles, Assembled Thru-Bolt Aluminum Center Section, Pro Gears, 5/8” Drive Studs, Fill & Drain Plug, All Bearings, Seals and Hardware. 2370

Upgrades
40 Spline axles 100
Extreme Axles (Gun Drilled / Star Flanged) 150
35 Spline Aluminum Spool 20
Pro Aluminum 40 Spline Spool 215
10-Hole Pinion Support 50


Gear Lightening
100
Housing Brackets Installed 500
Chrome Moly Housing - Bare 200
Chrome Moly Housing - W/Brackets 1000
Powder Coating 250
Chrome Coating 750

M9 Housing & Axle Package
Package Includes: Mild Steel Bare Drag Can, 35 Spline Axles, Bearings, & 5/8” Drive Studs. 975

Upgrades
40 Spline axles 19 95 100 100
Extreme Axles (Gun Drilled / Star Flanged) 150
Housing Brackets Installed 500
Chrome Moly Housing - Bare 200
Chrome Moly Housing - W/Brackets 1000
Powder Coating 250
Chrome Coating 750

M9 Bare Housings (no brackets)
M9 Chrome Moly Bare Housing 695
M9 Chrome Moly Bare Housing w/4-link Brakets Installed 1995

M9 BOLT-IN HOUSINGS
Mild Steel
Chevelle 625
IROC/F-Body NO torque arm 625
IROC/F-Body w/torque arm & crossmember brackets
(cannot be used w/oem or any other aftermarket torque arm) 1545
Grand National 625
Laguna 20 625
1979-2004 Mustang 625
2005 & Newer Mustang 750

Complete M9 Bolt-In Pkg - Street Application
Package Includes: Mild Steel M9 Bolt-In Housing, 28 or 31 Spline Axles, Assembled Super Light Case, Center Section w/ a Posi, 1310 Nodular Pinion Yoke Pro Street Gears, 1/2” Wheel Studs,
Fill & Drain Plug, All Bearings, Seals and Hardware.
2255

Upgrades
Alum. Daytona Pinion Support 10
Detroit TrueTrac Posi (28 or 31 Spline) 95
Detroit Locker (28 or 31 Spline) 120
Performance Nodular Case 100
Aluminum Thru-Bolt Case 240
Chrome Moly Housing 225
Chrome Moly Housing - W/Brackets 870
1350 Pinion Yoke 20 25 40 Auburn Limited (28 or 31) 45
Powder Coating 250

Complete M9 Bare - Drag Application
Package Includes: Mild Steel M9 Bare Housing, (Tubed w/ No Brackets) 35 Spline Axles, Assembled Thru-Bolt Aluminum Center Section, Pro Gears, 5/8” Drive Studs, Fill & Drain Plug, All Bearings, Seals and Hardware.
2350

Upgrades
40 Spline axles 20 95 100
100
Extreme Axles (Gun Drilled / Star Flanged) 150
35 Spline Aluminum Spool 20
Pro Aluminum 40 Spline Spool 200
10-Hole Pinion Support 50
Gear Lightening 100
Housing Brackets Installed 500
Chrome Moly Housing - Bare 20 N/A N/A
N/A
Chrome Moly Housing - W/Brackets N/A
Powder Coating 250

Back Braces
7006 M9 – Bolt-in Back Brace 80
7006I M9 – Bolt-in Back Brace Installed (Bolt-In Only) 140
7006M M9 Chrome Moly Back Brace 120
7006MI M9 Chrome Moly Back Brace installed 200

Four Link Brackets Kits
7290K Four Link Brackets w/ Shock Mount-3/16” thick Mild Steel
100
7264K Four Link Brackets – 5/8” Holes (fits 3” OD Tubes)
100
7266K Four Link Bracket ( fits 3” OD Tubes)
100
7290KM 3/16" Chrome Moly 4-Link Brackets w/shock mount wheel bar tabs and 5/8" holes for 3.5 OD tubes 200

Prices subject to change
Old 11-12-2007 | 06:36 AM
  #137  
ErikElvis's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,094
Likes: 0
From: DE La Ware
Default

ok help me out. How much for;
powdercoat, relo brackets, sway bar brackets, 35 spline axles, aluminum center section, detroit locker, back brace, fill and drain plugs, with 4 channel. I think thats all...
Old 11-12-2007 | 11:54 AM
  #138  
EPP's Avatar
EPP
Thread Starter
FormerVendor
iTrader: (22)
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 13,063
Likes: 2
Smile

Originally Posted by ErikElvis
ok help me out. How much for;
powdercoat, relo brackets, sway bar brackets, 35 spline axles, aluminum center section, detroit locker, back brace, fill and drain plugs, with 4 channel. I think thats all...
Moser M9 Housing/Axle/Torque Arm $1915.00 shipped
Moser alum center case with Locker, 35 spline axles and Pro Street Gear $1565.00
Moser Fill and drain Plugs $70.00
Moser powdercoating $250.00
Moser relocation brackets $100.00
Moser sway bar brackets $50.00
Moser back brace $140.00
Moser 4 channel using existing exciter rings $100.00

Total $4190.00 shipped.

The Moser rears are normally shipped two days after the order is received, please allow several more days for the powdercoating. Thanks! Bob
Old 11-12-2007 | 09:02 PM
  #139  
EPP's Avatar
EPP
Thread Starter
FormerVendor
iTrader: (22)
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 13,063
Likes: 2
Thumbs up

Originally Posted by ErikElvis
ok help me out. How much for;
powdercoat, relo brackets, sway bar brackets, 35 spline axles, aluminum center section, detroit locker, back brace, fill and drain plugs, with 4 channel. I think thats all...
Give me a call tomorrow if you want to get it on it's way to you. 260 244-4808. Thanks! Bob
Old 11-13-2007 | 12:53 AM
  #140  
Jerrywho's Avatar
Teching In
 
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
From: Chino, Ca.
Default

This 42 lb. less is total B.S. Now lets try to find where that 42 pounds less is. The axles are the same. The center section, or third member, is the same. The bearings are the same. And for the rear end housing, the housing ends are the same. The axle tubes are the same. So, the only difference is the torque arm, and the center of the housing. The torque arm has as much tubing and rod ends as a spohn torque arm. So no real weight savings on the torque arm. So the only place you will save weight is the torque arm mount and the center area of the rear end housing. Now lets look at the moser M9 housing. It is made out 1/8' thick steel with a 3/8' thick face plate welded to it. This is no major weight savings. So at best its 5 or so pounds lighter due to the lighter style of torque arm mounting to the housing.

Jerry


Quick Reply: New Moser M9 rear with Moser torque arm!



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:02 PM.