Ghostintheshell

why compare v6 to v8?

xhk651

V6s are starting to get stout enough in N/A form to do this..

like the 370z.. it will be very interesting to see how the two fair in a drag race..
there are many other candidates, but this one i believe will be the most interesting..

i think in 2-3 years most v6s will outrun a lot of ls1s..

jimmy169

I'm extremely surprised to see GM jump right up there with the rest of the bunch with the new v6 camaro, I just hope they don't waste that engine in that car only, and put it into a lighter car too. It's nice in the camaro but seems like a big waste in such a heavy car. This whole direct injection thing is pretty damn interesting, I never thought I'd see an american car with a v6 at 300hp or more, it just seemed like they needed v8's to do that, and imports made american cars look bad in that sense, by showing the world they can do it with smaller engine's. It's long past time american cars showed what they could do with smaller engine's just the same. The srt was a great hell of a start too, even though ironically it's so hated by domestic owner's, I can't even add the 4 at the end without the name being changed on this board.

xhk651

the reason they dont care if the v6s outperform other v6s and stuff.. is because they build the v8s to dominate the board..

S8ER95Z

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The current 350Z HR is healthy competition for a stock LS1 as long as it's driven to it's potential.. the new one will be no different though I don't think the average driver has a shot. We will have to wait and see what they post up for times. Every car is different, the S197 is a prime example. The magazines were getting mid 13s and so far that seems to be what they do. Then you look at the F-Body days and high 13s/low 14s were the norm while the people who own them were running close to a full second better. One is far easier to launch than the other.

PowershifterNC

I don't think stock for stock with equal drivers that we'll ever see a v6 350 or whatever outrun an ls1 f-body

1996firebirdformula

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Doubt its gonna take off line without Torque. Might kept up with my LT1 from Roll but not a LS1 LOL! Guess time for Heads and Cam

S8ER95Z

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I am pretty sure the new 370Z will be running high 12s as it's record passes.

The current 350Z has run bests of 13.1 now and traps are 105~107mph...

transaman98

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Cars are getting faster and faster with less and less motor. I really only think its a matter of time before the ls1 is considered a "dog". Don't get me wrong, I love my ls1 powered TA but as engine design progresses it seems to take less c.i. to do the same job.

PowershifterNC

still..put slicks on both cars and the ls1 is going to win

jimmy169

Do you happen to know the specs on the current 350z's (really just interested in hp and weight)? I know the first few years they were dog's, I mean lt1's seemed to have the upper edge on em, I think they would dyno 230rwhp around. What are these new one's putting to the ground stock and what do they weigh around?

I think the 370z is going to be around 3200lb's with what, close to 300 to the wheels? What was it 340 to the crank or 330?

BLUE OVAL TURBO

I saw this on another forum : 370Z spec's :weight from 3232 lbs to 3300 lbs . 332 hp/270 ft-lb the 0-60 mph 4.7 sec. and 1/4 mile of 13.3 @105.7

Pro Stock John

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Some V6's will run 12's and 13's stock, but not all. Sounds like the 370Z is a stout '6, whereas the Mustang V6 is probably in the 15's. So it varies, and it's hard to generalize.

Sure 10 years from now a new GM V6 might waste a 2002 Trans Am but so long as GM offers a V6 and V8 in a Camaro the V8 will be stronger... just how they approach the market.

1996firebirdformula

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But you can always upgrade your Ls1 to 408 Stroker or Head Cam Ls1

Ghostintheshell

well, how about we wait and see how this v6 performs.

One thing you must also consider is how hard your V6 is working to make powerful numbers.

I am pretty sure the V8 offers a lot more breathing room for expansion / mods.



as for that 370z - dang it looks good!

They should turbo that thing!!

xhk651

your going to be very surprised.. the 370z has already ran impressive times... as you can see lower a 13.1 magazine time.. once it hits market it will be running better times.. but that 13.1 is fast enough to outrun the majority of fbodies.. even if the norm of the 370s run around a 13.3-13.4... that is still enough to be neck and neck or beat most fbodies..
the trap speed is there to back up its time also.. fbodies wont be pulling away from them very much at all after 100.. maybe after 120 or so.. but they are both trapping about the same in the 1/4.
of course once modding begins the ls1 will be on top... it has biger displacement.

i would put big bucks on it that it will hit a 12.99 at least...

in 5 years a STOCK ls1 will be considered slow for what it is.. technology is passing it up though.. there will be quite a few NA v6s on the market that i believe will beat it or give it a run for its money... 370z g37s altimas... list goes on.. will they all beat a stock ls1? no.. but they will definitely be right there with it in 5 years..
dont believe me... look where they are now.. they are improving in speed every 1-2 years... the stock ls1 isnt.. its at a standstill because it isnt being made.. just watch

the 370z doesnt dead hook at the track either.. it would widen the margin some, but not as much as you think...

also.. we are talking stock cars.. not modded, and sticky tires is a mod..

there were a few fbodies to run 12s, but not very many.. most run low-mid 13s.. some run high 13s..
the mustang v6, hell the v8 version is something to laugh at.. haha... their pride and joy is the v8... nissans pride and joy is the six banger.. so of course nissans v6 is going to be WAY faster than fords v6s..

im sure 10 years from now almost all v6s that are "sports" or "muscle" car lines will be able to walk away from a stock ls1..
but as said, there will be a v8 version that is faster..

and we will all have 408 strokers..

xhk651

we have seen..

i would never own a nissan, and the 350z line up to be exact.. i dont know if the 370s will be any different.. but the 350s had so many problems with them it was ridiculous...

i think the 370zs look ... i hate the headlights and tail lights... the 350s IMO look 10 times better..

i like seeing what it can do N/A.. everyone does turbo or SC to compensate for less displacement.. its cool nissan is doing it with that car N/A.. it impresses me more than the new GTR does..

dakkrin

It looks like the camaro v6 engine is better than the 370z...30 hp dif and a few $1000 less also.
Unfortunately the camaro is really heavy.
V8s would dominate a lot more if the cars werent so heavy, i guess this is insurance reasons?

xhk651

performance aspect.. 370z KILLS the 5th gen v6 camaro..

which one would i want? the camaro..

dakkrin

Thats whats funny...the engine in the 370z doesnt seem that much better than the one in the camaro(i could be wrong on this though) 370z isnt really competing with the v6 camaro either.
This camaro v6 engine would be awesome in a lighter car...just seems like its a lot less expensive engine with similar power output