4th Gen vs. 5th Gen profile comparo. *pic*
09-16-2011, 10:46 AM
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same with the 4th gen... I think thats why alot of people are bitter over the 5th gen. They got more power but dont perform much better at the track. GM focused and giving a better ride, comfort, lots of options...etc. Alot guys on this site dont care about that ****... they want all out performance. A 5th gen stripper would cure this problem!! I like the car, just think its silly they built a 2 door car on a 4 door platform. From that standpoint the g8 is much more appealing to me for an all around car.
09-16-2011, 12:39 PM
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Ya a G8 is cool if you want a 4 door! Let me tell you this... if this new camaro was not everything it is right now, I would not have a camaro! Coming from 2 4th gens and a C5 vette ( thats were my screen name is from ) if this 5th gen was anything like the 4th gen I would have never sold my old car! I did like my 4th gen but the damn things were rattel traps, everything felt loose, ride was to harsh after I put some suspension on mine, and the thing I hated the most was not having a hood view! My vette was sooo much nicer but insurance was killing me. I wanted something I can drive everyday and still run fast at the track. I dont need to break records or run 9s... point is this car feels like my vette did as far as quality, 4th gens cant even touch the feel of this car, thats fact! Once the price comes down and 5 years go by, all you guys that drive your 4th gens daily will be selling your **** and guess what you will be looking at. As far as a striped out version, that will start happening when these things get old, no one wants to chop up a 30k+ car to race, when yes you could just do that to a 4th gen.
09-16-2011, 02:00 PM
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Ya a G8 is cool if you want a 4 door! Let me tell you this... if this new camaro was not everything it is right now, I would not have a camaro! Coming from 2 4th gens and a C5 vette ( thats were my screen name is from ) if this 5th gen was anything like the 4th gen I would have never sold my old car! I did like my 4th gen but the damn things were rattel traps, everything felt loose, ride was to harsh after I put some suspension on mine, and the thing I hated the most was not having a hood view! My vette was sooo much nicer but insurance was killing me. I wanted something I can drive everyday and still run fast at the track. I dont need to break records or run 9s... point is this car feels like my vette did as far as quality, 4th gens cant even touch the feel of this car, thats fact! Once the price comes down and 5 years go by, all you guys that drive your 4th gens daily will be selling your **** and guess what you will be looking at. As far as a striped out version, that will start happening when these things get old, no one wants to chop up a 30k+ car to race, when yes you could just do that to a 4th gen.
PS. If the ride is too harsh, you aren't in the same market as I am, or a lot of other guys for that matter.
09-16-2011, 02:01 PM
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same with the 4th gen... I think thats why alot of people are bitter over the 5th gen. They got more power but dont perform much better at the track. GM focused and giving a better ride, comfort, lots of options...etc. Alot guys on this site dont care about that ****... they want all out performance. A 5th gen stripper would cure this problem!! I like the car, just think its silly they built a 2 door car on a 4 door platform. From that standpoint the g8 is much more appealing to me for an all around car.
09-16-2011, 02:45 PM
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Are you kidding me dude, not in the same market... ever drive a vette, not a harsh ride but handles like a ****! Harsh and sports car handling does not mean two in the same, spend some time in a 5th gen or vette and you will see what I mean.
Ya I will be in the low 11s when I cam it 
09-16-2011, 06:02 PM
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Ya a G8 is cool if you want a 4 door! Let me tell you this... if this new camaro was not everything it is right now, I would not have a camaro! Coming from 2 4th gens and a C5 vette ( thats were my screen name is from ) if this 5th gen was anything like the 4th gen I would have never sold my old car! I did like my 4th gen but the damn things were rattel traps, everything felt loose, ride was to harsh after I put some suspension on mine, and the thing I hated the most was not having a hood view! My vette was sooo much nicer but insurance was killing me. I wanted something I can drive everyday and still run fast at the track. I dont need to break records or run 9s... point is this car feels like my vette did as far as quality, 4th gens cant even touch the feel of this car, thats fact! Once the price comes down and 5 years go by, all you guys that drive your 4th gens daily will be selling your **** and guess what you will be looking at. As far as a striped out version, that will start happening when these things get old, no one wants to chop up a 30k+ car to race, when yes you could just do that to a 4th gen.
09-16-2011, 07:13 PM
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Ya I hope so, trust me I don't want it to get to popular at the track anyway! It's not everyone's cup of tea, I definitely would not buy a G8 but I respect the guys that own them and want to run fast, instead of telling all the reasons I would never buy that car! I think it would be awesome to see one pulling 10s at the track, same reason I want to get my car there one day! It's not going to be a normal thing to see 10 sec 5 th gens rolling around but when you do it's gonna be cool to see! There are a few on camaro5 that are just getting together and they are bad ***!
09-17-2011, 03:01 PM
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I don't want her, you can have her, she's to fat for me. LOL at the ricer comments, "its to heavy" or "I can take that coin and build a faster 4th gen". Really ? Its a great car and the 4th gen die hard's wouldn't like it no matter what it weighted, ran or cost.
Folks miss out on things in life because they are closed minded and there's a load of that in this thread. Like I said, I had a wonderful cam only mid 11 2000 Z28 and liked it but not loved because it was all compromise. From the floorpans, single exhaust, cowl over the engine, monza torque arm, weak *** rear differential, crap interior, seating position. Only redeeming quality was the LSX motor it had and the 6 speed.
Face it, the 4th gen doesn't even hold a candle to the 5th gen.
Folks miss out on things in life because they are closed minded and there's a load of that in this thread. Like I said, I had a wonderful cam only mid 11 2000 Z28 and liked it but not loved because it was all compromise. From the floorpans, single exhaust, cowl over the engine, monza torque arm, weak *** rear differential, crap interior, seating position. Only redeeming quality was the LSX motor it had and the 6 speed.
Face it, the 4th gen doesn't even hold a candle to the 5th gen.
09-17-2011, 03:29 PM
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Its funny I just found this thread.
I was sitting behind a 5th gen today at a stop light, and I couldnt believe how much bigger the car was then my SS. My car is lowered a good deal, but mine was sitting atleast 6" lower then his. I felt like my head was parallel with his tail lights.
that being said, I have never really liked them. 4th gens have the "aggressive" factor to them and look much more intimidating IMO. The 5th gens are nice, but you will never see me in one. They are too big and I just still cant take them serious.
I had a guy a few months ago pull up next to me at a stop light in a bolt on 5th gen ss. I was just checking out his car minding my own business and he looked over and started laughing shaking his head. This is when I knew what was about to happen, would scar him. Light turned green, he dropped the hammer. I rolled out and then followed his lead and literally went by him like he was standing still. Shut down with nearly a bus length on him. After, I was the one looking at him laughing and he wouldnt even look over.
I was sitting behind a 5th gen today at a stop light, and I couldnt believe how much bigger the car was then my SS. My car is lowered a good deal, but mine was sitting atleast 6" lower then his. I felt like my head was parallel with his tail lights.
that being said, I have never really liked them. 4th gens have the "aggressive" factor to them and look much more intimidating IMO. The 5th gens are nice, but you will never see me in one. They are too big and I just still cant take them serious.
I had a guy a few months ago pull up next to me at a stop light in a bolt on 5th gen ss. I was just checking out his car minding my own business and he looked over and started laughing shaking his head. This is when I knew what was about to happen, would scar him. Light turned green, he dropped the hammer. I rolled out and then followed his lead and literally went by him like he was standing still. Shut down with nearly a bus length on him. After, I was the one looking at him laughing and he wouldnt even look over.
09-17-2011, 04:41 PM
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I don't want her, you can have her, she's to fat for me. LOL at the ricer comments, "its to heavy" or "I can take that coin and build a faster 4th gen". Really ? Its a great car and the 4th gen die hard's wouldn't like it no matter what it weighted, ran or cost.
Folks miss out on things in life because they are closed minded and there's a load of that in this thread. Like I said, I had a wonderful cam only mid 11 2000 Z28 and liked it but not loved because it was all compromise. From the floorpans, single exhaust, cowl over the engine, monza torque arm, weak *** rear differential, crap interior, seating position. Only redeeming quality was the LSX motor it had and the 6 speed.
Face it, the 4th gen doesn't even hold a candle to the 5th gen.
Folks miss out on things in life because they are closed minded and there's a load of that in this thread. Like I said, I had a wonderful cam only mid 11 2000 Z28 and liked it but not loved because it was all compromise. From the floorpans, single exhaust, cowl over the engine, monza torque arm, weak *** rear differential, crap interior, seating position. Only redeeming quality was the LSX motor it had and the 6 speed.
Face it, the 4th gen doesn't even hold a candle to the 5th gen.
You better check your ricer definitions also and while you are at it also check the difference between having an opinion and been close minded. Just point out what, of the facts discussed here about the 5th gen, are NOT true.
I sense a lot of frustration with 5th gen guys around here. I think they expected a different response or attitude towards owning the latest GM creation. Reality is never as one expects. It has been proven that the 4th gen and 5th gen are similar performance wise for all the details put forward here.
If someone needs to face it is you.
09-18-2011, 12:30 AM
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No, it has been proven that the exceptional 4th gens are similar to the 5th gen norm with a normal person behind the wheel. It's the 4th gen hold outs that make me want to keep my car instead of getting that vette. I am still yet to run into a bolt-on 4th gen that can hang at a stop light race. It's just I have reached the limit where the car needs weight reduction and drive train help. 9" or auto conversion? Problem is that both are way too expensive because the car is still the flavor of the week. I have owned my share of 4th gens and have no desire to own one again. It's either vette or 5th gen.
09-18-2011, 04:19 AM
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To be honest with you, I sold my 6 speed for $2000, and the clutch for $650. A built 4l80 auto and converter cost me $2800. Of course, factor in a trans cooler, dipstick, and trans controller if you dont want to go manual valve body, but it's not really expensive to do the swap if you have the ability and space/means, just time consuming. If anything, it should keep the factory rear alive longer.
One nice thing is I can take the entire motor out from the top in about 30 minutes, and change all 8 plugs in 10. Try doing that in a fourth gen. Just try. These cars are so friendly to work on in comparison its almost embarassing. The radiator/fan harness even disconnects itself as a unit and you dont have to invidually unplug everything. Brilliant. Worth 400 pounds extra? No. But its a fair trade. The 5th gen interior is cavernous compared to the fourth gen, but thats neither good nor bad. Its all around refined, but its a completely different chassis, so what do you expect? I miss my fourth gen, but it isnt really fair to compare the two cars.
One nice thing is I can take the entire motor out from the top in about 30 minutes, and change all 8 plugs in 10. Try doing that in a fourth gen. Just try. These cars are so friendly to work on in comparison its almost embarassing. The radiator/fan harness even disconnects itself as a unit and you dont have to invidually unplug everything. Brilliant. Worth 400 pounds extra? No. But its a fair trade. The 5th gen interior is cavernous compared to the fourth gen, but thats neither good nor bad. Its all around refined, but its a completely different chassis, so what do you expect? I miss my fourth gen, but it isnt really fair to compare the two cars.
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09-18-2011, 10:02 AM
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No, it has been proven that the exceptional 4th gens are similar to the 5th gen norm with a normal person behind the wheel. It's the 4th gen hold outs that make me want to keep my car instead of getting that vette. I am still yet to run into a bolt-on 4th gen that can hang at a stop light race. It's just I have reached the limit where the car needs weight reduction and drive train help. 9" or auto conversion? Problem is that both are way too expensive because the car is still the flavor of the week. I have owned my share of 4th gens and have no desire to own one again. It's either vette or 5th gen.
09-18-2011, 10:22 AM
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No, it has been proven that the exceptional 4th gens are similar to the 5th gen norm with a normal person behind the wheel. It's the 4th gen hold outs that make me want to keep my car instead of getting that vette. I am still yet to run into a bolt-on 4th gen that can hang at a stop light race. It's just I have reached the limit where the car needs weight reduction and drive train help. 9" or auto conversion? Problem is that both are way too expensive because the car is still the flavor of the week. I have owned my share of 4th gens and have no desire to own one again. It's either vette or 5th gen.
The fact is there, weight hinders them badly and evens out performances of both 5th and 4th. Not my or anybody else's fault...its GM's.
09-18-2011, 10:24 AM
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To be honest with you, I sold my 6 speed for $2000, and the clutch for $650. A built 4l80 auto and converter cost me $2800. Of course, factor in a trans cooler, dipstick, and trans controller if you dont want to go manual valve body, but it's not really expensive to do the swap if you have the ability and space/means, just time consuming. If anything, it should keep the factory rear alive longer.
One nice thing is I can take the entire motor out from the top in about 30 minutes, and change all 8 plugs in 10. Try doing that in a fourth gen. Just try. These cars are so friendly to work on in comparison its almost embarassing. The radiator/fan harness even disconnects itself as a unit and you dont have to invidually unplug everything. Brilliant. Worth 400 pounds extra? No. But its a fair trade. The 5th gen interior is cavernous compared to the fourth gen, but thats neither good nor bad. Its all around refined, but its a completely different chassis, so what do you expect? I miss my fourth gen, but it isnt really fair to compare the two cars.
One nice thing is I can take the entire motor out from the top in about 30 minutes, and change all 8 plugs in 10. Try doing that in a fourth gen. Just try. These cars are so friendly to work on in comparison its almost embarassing. The radiator/fan harness even disconnects itself as a unit and you dont have to invidually unplug everything. Brilliant. Worth 400 pounds extra? No. But its a fair trade. The 5th gen interior is cavernous compared to the fourth gen, but thats neither good nor bad. Its all around refined, but its a completely different chassis, so what do you expect? I miss my fourth gen, but it isnt really fair to compare the two cars.
09-18-2011, 06:30 PM
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people have taken stalled L99s with a tune, cai, and NO headers and ran 12.30s on DRs...
11s with bolt-ons is VERY MUCH doable for a 5th gen... just as easy if not EASIER than a 4th gen.... like I said, until you start talking 450+whp and traction becomes a huge issue, the 5th gens are actually a good bit faster than the 4th gens... I'm not arguing for the IRS, once you get the IRS to about 450whp, it does start to get hampered in drag racing and the LS1 will catch it and surpass it in the modding game...
but for those of us that want to throw some bolt-ons, a tune, and a cam on a Camaro... well, i'd gladly line a 5th gen up against the 4th gen guys with the same mods, especially with a stall and some DRs
a car being over weight doesn't mean jack **** if you still get the win light
11s with bolt-ons is VERY MUCH doable for a 5th gen... just as easy if not EASIER than a 4th gen.... like I said, until you start talking 450+whp and traction becomes a huge issue, the 5th gens are actually a good bit faster than the 4th gens... I'm not arguing for the IRS, once you get the IRS to about 450whp, it does start to get hampered in drag racing and the LS1 will catch it and surpass it in the modding game...
but for those of us that want to throw some bolt-ons, a tune, and a cam on a Camaro... well, i'd gladly line a 5th gen up against the 4th gen guys with the same mods, especially with a stall and some DRs
a car being over weight doesn't mean jack **** if you still get the win light