Black02SLPSS

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A friend of mine had an 05 GT premium and we went and weighed our cars at the flying j one day and with him in the car he weighed in at almost 3800lbs. Just shy of that, and he is only about 150ish pounds. My car, with me in it, weighed in at about 3600ish and im 220lbs so those mustangs are heavy sleds. They also drive like a heavy car (cadillac) would.

20SS07

It will be interesting if the ecoboost 3.5L makes it into the stang. That engine should be atleast 50lbs lighter than the 4.6L and put out 340 hp. The power to weight ratio should be pretty close to what the LS3 Camaro will be not to mention a factory TT car won't be hard to mod either.

Darracq

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Why even take up for Ford, i might buy one if they would put a decent engine in one. I could swear 08s are like 30,000 still at least that was sticker. how is a 2010 be less. I am sure the upgrade will be $10,000. i used to be a ford guy but they have there heads up the butt.

ThisBlood147

Nice to see we can't have a civil discussion about a car that the new Camaro will be competing with for sales. I mean, is it really that hard? Why do you guys even bother talking about Mustangs? For a car that so many of you take so lightly and think so little of, you sure spend alot of time bringing the damn thing up. Just an observation.

FWIW, my car weighed 3620 lbs without me in it............that's with aftermarket suspension, twin screw supercharger, and bigger radials. I'd venture to guess that if the new Camaro made 460hp and weighed that much, you guys would be high fiving each other right now. And if a 3600ish lb GT is a lead sled.........what does that make the upcoming Camaro SS?

20SS07

Well in all fairness I've seen you guys on the Mustang forums that you're a member of thisblood talk trash on the Camaro too haha. It's just how it's going to be anytime the competition is brought up. Can't expect the Chevy guys to all be like OMG THE NEW MUSTANG IS AWESOME THE CAMARO SUCKS!!! I agree civil discussion of the vehicles would be nice, but it's alot to ask. I'm really not brand loyal in any which direction. If I like a car I'll buy it no matter what brand it is.

caseypayne69

When GM catches up with Ford in quality awards in 2008, then I'll be impressed.

Ford tied Toyota and Honda this year in quality. Where's GM?


I know I sound like a GM basher, but I'm not. I love the Camaro coming, I just happened to like the stang better. A hardcore GM buddy of mine said the ZR1 has one flaw, GM has warned for people to not take it past the 620 hp mark with mods due to possible failure of the head gasket design. Don't flame me, this is coming from the mouth of a GM hardcore Vette owner.

JD_AMG

Ah, employee pricing... Tricky...


Clearly you have never been in a CTS...

And you Ford guys would be doing the same if Ford came out with a car like that as well.

JD_AMG

I'm no Ford hater either, I personally really like the new (05+) Mustangs. But you will have room to talk when Ford has quality like this:

caseypayne69

I know what your saying but I was refering to those awards based on for every 1000 cars, how many needed work.

BLUE OVAL TURBO

So what you are telling me is that Chevy "GM" wasted time/money/ engineering R&D ,creating a 427 cid Z/06 and a supercharged 6.2 liter ZR1 when the LS3 Corvette was enough to run consistent 11.74 @ 119.94 ??? I can bring up several 11 second GT500 passes also but i'm talking about Joe Average driving in the street's running street tires.

ThisBlood147

Indeed, we surely would. I'm just making the observation that I achieved the creation of a Mustang weighing as much making said power.....as opposed to others who clearly think the current GT weighs 100's of lbs more than all the official specs says it does and has little to no performance value to speak of.

Look, I'm not here waving Ford's flag.........they really do need to get off their *** and offer Mustang buyers a decent hipo V8 that doesn't cost over 40K. But most Mustang guys I know don't sit around waiting for Ford to offer us a "just right" package deal right from the factory. My GT was plenty enough for me for the first couple of months I had it. Once it wasn't enough anymore, I did something to make it what I wanted it to be........just like any car guy would do with his Chevy/Dodge/Ford when it no longer thrilled him.

Cut the Mustang faithful a break. It's no skin off your back considering the Mustang is behind the Camaro in performance from the factory. And besides, if all Mustang guys converted to the new Camaro come next year.......how old would it get seeing dozens of Camaro's around every corner everyday of the week. We KNOW you don't really want that. Variety is the spice of life.......be happy the Mustang and the Challenger are alive and well.

TriShield

Ford told Edmunds the weight is virtually unchanged. Good news for folks that like their cars light and with a buggy axle in the back.

whitew01ws6

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WHOOOOOO CAMARO FTMFW



sorry..... had to do it....


and like some one eles said..... why does ford have to put a super charger on there junk to make it compete with the GM's?

406 Q-ship

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And the magazines always get it right......funny that Ford says the GT500 is 3900 when it was first released....hmmmmmm why would they do that? At 3500 pounds and 300hp the Mustang should run a whole lot faster in the 1/4 mile.

I did check the price on the base GT and agree with you, except you are saying what you can get a going out model for in a bad economy. Something tells me the SS will be going out the door at closer to invoice. Still the Camaro is more car than the GT right now, IRS and better quality interior materials. I know your going to say the 2010 GT will fix that, well I bet the price will get fixed too.

406 Q-ship

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Soooo?

GMPP offers intakes for carburators on an LS engine too, that doesn't mean you can put one on your late model car and still keep the warrenty.

406 Q-ship

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NOT AN S197,
Well I had a 86 Monte SS that weight 3400, so that proves the Camaro will only weight 3000lbs.....

406 Q-ship

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I actually think Ford got it right when it comes to weight at 3600. The S197 is a great car, a bit underpowered for my tastes, with 350 to 375 it would be an awesome car. It is the Ford people who have taken the defensive stand, not me. I do think the Camaro is over weight, it should be inline with the Mustang when it comes to weight. I never said the GT was a lead sled, at 3800 to 3900 pounds the Camaro is a contender for that tittle except the Challenger at 4000 blows the Camaro away for pork.

FullBoreTA

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How about the heavier 2009 Challenger already in production? Ordered with the drag pak, it's a 10.4 1/4-miler. Of course, you won't see many of these and the cost puts them out of range for most of us. I believe it's around $18,000 on top of an already $30,000 car. I could buy myself a brand new Vette for that!!! Of course it wouldn't be fast, but, it WEOULD be a Vette guess it would come down to personal preference then.

As for the 2010 Mustang, what kind of engine internals do you think they'll have? Will they hold up to the cylinder pressure of 500 HP very long?

caseypayne69

I agree with you on that.

Nah, my sissy 96 GT. Fast enough to pull a 2006 auto 350Z though.


I think the SN-95 Mustangs 94-98 the bottom end could hold up to 450 safely. Surely the new ones are better.

BLUE OVAL TURBO

Your statement reflects what a lot of Ford faithful feel and i can respect that !!!!!!!!!!!!