2010 SS at the track
C5 Z06?
My suggestion was directed towards those strictly looking for a faster 4th gen F-body to be able to compete with a 5th gen camaro at the track. Obviously, this hypothesis declares their preference for what they have regardless how outdated some may feel.
Besides, even if they are as bad as you say, they're evidently still fancy enough to have their driver's seat grace the buttocks of a car expert such as yourself. lol
My suggestion was directed towards those strictly looking for a faster 4th gen F-body to be able to compete with a 5th gen camaro at the track. Obviously, this hypothesis declares their preference for what they have regardless how outdated some may feel.
Besides, even if they are as bad as you say, they're evidently still fancy enough to have their driver's seat grace the buttocks of a car expert such as yourself. lol
dont get me wrong, i still love fbodys.. and always will... but they arent the nicest all aound cars... dont ride good... arent top dog for the money on power anymore... etc etc etc... they are old news now..
But you've been such an active participant. And from what I've seen this isn't the first time.
Speculation at this point.
Camaro is not a Cobra even though they do both start with C
That was a miracle pass that would be hard pressed to ever be duplicated IMO. I'm sure the New Camaro will go quicker but I'm not sold on 12.4 like you are.
It was 31K and I also said they were willing to negotiate. I could have bought that car for 28 or 29K if I had tried.
I'm not the one comparing apples to oranges.
I think a lot of cars are overpriced, not just the Camaro. But IMO the C6 is well above the Camaro and not that much more expensive if you shop around. If you can deal with a two seater it's a much better bang for the buck. Again, IMO.
Again, speculation. So far the hooking part is what everyone is having trouble with. And it's not hard to understand why.
Now Fbodies are crap? You just want to make a lot of frinds here at LS1TECH Don't you? The new Camaro is a nice car. It's a fast street car people can have fun with. It's just not designed with straight line performance in mind. But that's why they changed to the zeta platform I suppose. They wanted to be less muscle and more luxury sedan.
Speculation at this point.
Camaro is not a Cobra even though they do both start with C
That was a miracle pass that would be hard pressed to ever be duplicated IMO. I'm sure the New Camaro will go quicker but I'm not sold on 12.4 like you are.
It was 31K and I also said they were willing to negotiate. I could have bought that car for 28 or 29K if I had tried.
I'm not the one comparing apples to oranges.
I think a lot of cars are overpriced, not just the Camaro. But IMO the C6 is well above the Camaro and not that much more expensive if you shop around. If you can deal with a two seater it's a much better bang for the buck. Again, IMO.
Again, speculation. So far the hooking part is what everyone is having trouble with. And it's not hard to understand why.
Now Fbodies are crap? You just want to make a lot of frinds here at LS1TECH Don't you? The new Camaro is a nice car. It's a fast street car people can have fun with. It's just not designed with straight line performance in mind. But that's why they changed to the zeta platform I suppose. They wanted to be less muscle and more luxury sedan.
yea, same car basically..
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A fbody can go further/faster in a straight line but like I said. Most people never dump that much money into their cars.
If you aren't going to be modding a whole bunch and you want to go around curves without attracting attention then the EVO IS A BETTER CHOICE. I would be willing to bet that many people on this board would be very happy with what an EVO could do for them.
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btw, i still think your wrong on the same points as i did before... just look ^^^^^^ for my replies to the same things you said earlier..
wasnt too hard to follow..
was just making a funny man, thats all. Laugh it up. For the amount of work that most people will commit to the EVO isn't a bad choice.
A fbody can go further/faster in a straight line but like I said. Most people never dump that much money into their cars.
If you aren't going to be modding a whole bunch and you want to go around curves without attracting attention then the EVO IS A BETTER CHOICE. I would be willing to bet that many people on this board would be very happy with what an EVO could do for them.
A fbody can go further/faster in a straight line but like I said. Most people never dump that much money into their cars.
If you aren't going to be modding a whole bunch and you want to go around curves without attracting attention then the EVO IS A BETTER CHOICE. I would be willing to bet that many people on this board would be very happy with what an EVO could do for them.
but i do dump money in my cars.. pretty much anything i own..
i care absolutely nothing for corners, never have, never will.. if someone can beat me in curves, more power to them... hell id say most people could beat me on my bike with them driving a car.. i DONT do curves.. i am straight line, PERIOD.
so, for me.. i would be pissed everytime someone said "hello"...
nothing towards evo owners, they just arent for me.
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you can keep telling yourself that if you would like to.. i can see you dont understand very much, therefore i have nothing to say to you.. your definitely not open minded..
so, why bother?
btw, i still think your wrong on the same points as i did before... just look ^^^^^^ for my replies to the same things you said earlier..
wasnt too hard to follow.. was just making a funny man, thats all.
i will..
but i do dump money in my cars.. pretty much anything i own..
i care absolutely nothing for corners, never have, never will.. if someone can beat me in curves, more power to them... hell id say most people could beat me on my bike with them driving a car.. i DONT do curves.. i am straight line, PERIOD.
so, for me.. i would be pissed everytime someone said "hello"...
nothing towards evo owners, they just arent for me.
so, why bother?
btw, i still think your wrong on the same points as i did before... just look ^^^^^^ for my replies to the same things you said earlier..
wasnt too hard to follow..
was just making a funny man, thats all. i will..
but i do dump money in my cars.. pretty much anything i own..
i care absolutely nothing for corners, never have, never will.. if someone can beat me in curves, more power to them... hell id say most people could beat me on my bike with them driving a car.. i DONT do curves.. i am straight line, PERIOD.
so, for me.. i would be pissed everytime someone said "hello"...
nothing towards evo owners, they just arent for me.
even if you're a straight line guy, you can still do a lot more with a lot less in an EVO. a 500whp EVO will do 10's all day long with a good driver on street tires, and doesn't cost much money to get there. there was a guy that ran mid 11's with an EVO IX RS with less than $1000 in mods. it wasn't long before he was in the 10's, then eventually in the 9's, and still able to drive the car daily and road race if he wants. it's all about what you like though. the way you are with curves, that's how i am with straight line racing. if someone beats me in a straight line, fine. i prefer autocrossing/road racing because it's more focused on driver ability than the car itself. in drag racing, whoever dumps the most money into their car is going to win. i'd rather the win be up to me, not the car.
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Exactly. You can't prove me wrong when I'm not so why bother even trying?
1). Many LS1 Fbodies cost well under $30K when new. Z28's, Formulas and Trans Ams were all in the 20's. Even SS's and WS6's were upper 20's when negotiated properly.
http://www.thecarconnection.com/sele...et_camaro_2002
Fact.
2). Fully optioned WS6's, Trans Am's and SS's weighed just over 3500 lbs with Verts over 3600.
http://www.modernracer.com/pontiacfi...ransamws6.html
Fact.
3). New Camaro SS's have thus far been running quarter miles in the 13's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuqGQOu31Hw
Ok guys, took the car out to Baytown, Tx last night to test our prototype cold air induction system. We did not have a weather station but I can tell you the humidity was high like always in the Houston summers. Temperatures were around 85* at night time. We made a total of 9 passes. 3 stock, 3 tune only, and 3 LMR CAI&TUNE. Here are the averages:
STOCK- 13.46 @109.01
TUNE ONLY- 13.25 @109.88
LMR CAI & TUNE- 13.09 @110.82
STOCK- 13.46 @109.01
TUNE ONLY- 13.25 @109.88
LMR CAI & TUNE- 13.09 @110.82
Last night went to the local test and tune and was setting in line. I look to my right and what do I see a red SS sitting in tech. After I made my run I went to the stands to watch him. He bogged the hell out of his launch and ran 13.8 @ 105. He get's back in line and go's again well he launches a hell of a lot better and ran a 13.5 @ 109 but he f up his rear end and had to be hauled off on a roll back. The damn car did not even have plates on it yet. I wonder if this is happening alot.
4). No 2010 Camaro has run a 12.4 showroom stock.
Until you provide a valid link this remains,
Fact.
5). The 2010 Camaro SS is not the same as a 2003/2004 Cobra.
This falls under the "duh" catagory but I'll say it one last time,
Fact.
My points are all intelligent. My points are all backed up with research and common knowledge. Yet you say I'm the closed minded one when you offer nothing to back up your position other then:
Do you see my point?
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[QUOTE=427C5;11676662] Man I would love to have a vette, and I know this wasn't posted towards me, but some people may be in the same situation I am, and need the two extra seats for the 2 kids I have.. other wise, I would be looking at getting a C6..
I want one bad, but the practicality of it doesn't work for me right now..
i like the looks of the Camaro, better than the G8, the G8 just looks Blah to me..
Every time I see one I just look at it like it's an other car.
I want one bad, but the practicality of it doesn't work for me right now..
i like the looks of the Camaro, better than the G8, the G8 just looks Blah to me..
Every time I see one I just look at it like it's an other car.
even if you're a straight line guy, you can still do a lot more with a lot less in an EVO. a 500whp EVO will do 10's all day long with a good driver on street tires, and doesn't cost much money to get there. there was a guy that ran mid 11's with an EVO IX RS with less than $1000 in mods. it wasn't long before he was in the 10's, then eventually in the 9's, and still able to drive the car daily and road race if he wants. it's all about what you like though. the way you are with curves, that's how i am with straight line racing. if someone beats me in a straight line, fine. i prefer autocrossing/road racing because it's more focused on driver ability than the car itself. in drag racing, whoever dumps the most money into their car is going to win. i'd rather the win be up to me, not the car.
ms4 cam
ported 90/90
full exhaust
weight reduction
etc etc etc..
http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/g...t=SD531115.flv
http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/g...t=SD531107.flv
http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/g...t=SD531071.flv
plenty of people on this board know my setup.. i dont have to speak for it nor prove itself....
PRCls6 heads
ms4 cam
ported 90/90
full exhaust
weight reduction
etc etc etc..
http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/g...t=SD531115.flv
http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/g...t=SD531107.flv
http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/g...t=SD531071.flv
plenty of people on this board know my setup.. i dont have to speak for it nor prove itself....
ms4 cam
ported 90/90
full exhaust
weight reduction
etc etc etc..
http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/g...t=SD531115.flv
http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/g...t=SD531107.flv
http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/g...t=SD531071.flv
plenty of people on this board know my setup.. i dont have to speak for it nor prove itself....
Shame to sell it.
Good luck with the sale too. The sales section was mobbed when I was trying to sell mine.
I got rid of my Z as I was moving and other life BS. No time to work on cars ATM.
Totally understand wanting to get into a new platform as well.
Looks good dude.
Shame to sell it.
Good luck with the sale too. The sales section was mobbed when I was trying to sell mine.
I got rid of my Z as I was moving and other life BS. No time to work on cars ATM.
Totally understand wanting to get into a new platform as well.
Shame to sell it.
Good luck with the sale too. The sales section was mobbed when I was trying to sell mine.
I got rid of my Z as I was moving and other life BS. No time to work on cars ATM.
Totally understand wanting to get into a new platform as well.
i cant not have a toy for too long..
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i have said at least once that im talking prices that are NOT negotiated.. that totally screws the whole thing up.. because i could neg. them to 22 and you could neg. to 18.. you have to take face value.. which is no neg... so no, i dont see your point... no i dont think you have been listening, no, i dont think you are right...
Z28's, Formula's & TA's were all sticker priced in the 20's with some under 25K. That's sticker price now which is what you seem to be so hung up on. V6's were in the upper teens for sticker price.
Now look at the 2010 Camaro. V6's are 28-32K and the SS is around 35-38K. I understand inflation and all but lets get real. It's been 8 years and the cost has gone up 10K and placed a fully optioned 2SS too close to a base C6 IMO. Now if they lowerd the V6 to say 23-24K and offered a V8 Z28 for say 28-29K then I would say all is as it should be. A moderate increase for inflation but still affordable to the middle class.
Hopefully once the newness wears off the dealerships will start selling for thousands under sticker. But the fact remains that if you had 25K in 2002 you could buy a new V8 Camaro even if you paid sticker price. Right now you need around 10K on top of that.
That sounds a little rude. Sharing mods and setups is common here and often done to help each other choose the best setup for them.
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Now look at the 2010 Camaro. V6's are 28-32K and the SS is around 35-38K. I understand inflation and all but lets get real. It's been 8 years and the cost has gone up 10K and placed a fully optioned 2SS too close to a base C6 IMO. Now if they lowerd the V6 to say 23-24K and offered a V8 Z28 for say 28-29K then I would say all is as it should be.
There is a difference between not thinking I'm right and not wanting to admit that I'm right.
Z28's, Formula's & TA's were all sticker priced in the 20's with some under 25K. That's sticker price now which is what you seem to be so hung up on. V6's were in the upper teens for sticker price.
Now look at the 2010 Camaro. V6's are 28-32K and the SS is around 35-38K. I understand inflation and all but lets get real. It's been 8 years and the cost has gone up 10K and placed a fully optioned 2SS too close to a base C6 IMO. Now if they lowerd the V6 to say 23-24K and offered a V8 Z28 for say 28-29K then I would say all is as it should be. A moderate increase for inflation but still affordable to the middle class.
Hopefully once the newness wears off the dealerships will start selling for thousands under sticker. But the fact remains that if you had 25K in 2002 you could buy a new V8 Camaro even if you paid sticker price. Right now you need around 10K on top of that.
That sounds a little rude. Sharing mods and setups is common here and often done to help each other choose the best setup for them.
Z28's, Formula's & TA's were all sticker priced in the 20's with some under 25K. That's sticker price now which is what you seem to be so hung up on. V6's were in the upper teens for sticker price.
Now look at the 2010 Camaro. V6's are 28-32K and the SS is around 35-38K. I understand inflation and all but lets get real. It's been 8 years and the cost has gone up 10K and placed a fully optioned 2SS too close to a base C6 IMO. Now if they lowerd the V6 to say 23-24K and offered a V8 Z28 for say 28-29K then I would say all is as it should be. A moderate increase for inflation but still affordable to the middle class.
Hopefully once the newness wears off the dealerships will start selling for thousands under sticker. But the fact remains that if you had 25K in 2002 you could buy a new V8 Camaro even if you paid sticker price. Right now you need around 10K on top of that.
That sounds a little rude. Sharing mods and setups is common here and often done to help each other choose the best setup for them.
as for how i took his question... it was, you said you had mods, where are they? and thats how i answered... ive helped many people with their setups on this board and achieve the times/power they wanted.. had a lot of people copy my setup.. you dont need to worry about whatever the hell im doing.. ill talk/post however the hell i want to.. been doing it since i first started posting, and i will continue long after your gone from here..