69mach

Just summin to think about since when the comaros come out it will be in a couple of years......ford is planning on producing a new stang in 2009 supposedly just what ive read that the 6.2L 425hp hurricane engine their making right now will be put in a later cobra .......seeing a trend in superchargers for cobras im sure ford will put one on. There's no telling what kind of hp that would put down. In my eyes i think GM should be looking at the future cobra not the GT500 b/c once the new camaro hits the showroom Ford will be about to produce a whole new cobra. Just thought it would be summin to think about since we are talkin about the future her.

00454sscamaro

425hp? thats less then the 07 gt500 .... hows that better?? or something for gm to worry about?? a 425hp in a 4000lb ford car vrs a 3,500/3,600lb 500hp chevy car .... id give the edge to gm with that one.

GatorFan08

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If they do put the LS2 in the camaro. Then I hope GM brings back another car with the ls1. Maybe the chevelle ? Cause theres no way right now I could afford a 40 thousand dolla car. An another reason I would want the LS1 in a diff car, is because I dont like starting with 400 hp outa the box. I rather start out with a 300-320 car. An work up to the 400hp or 500hp. I enjoy workin on the car to get it there. Rather then just buy it an not really have to do anything becuase it already has the horsepower that you want.

SDB

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Might be the stupidest thing I have ever heard. I would RATHER start with less hp and have to put time, effort, and money into it. Spoken like a true redneck broke dick hillbilly! Why would you even say something so retarded as this? You broke dick ************* are always hating on those who can have nice things, allways saying stupid **** like "well, at least I work on my own car" when you get beat by someone...always the same ****!

Hillbilly's rule!

SDB

GatorFan08

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^^^^^ So you rather start with a bunch of hp, an not have to do any work to the car ? Just have it already be fast... Thats retarded. For one the car will cost hellz alot of money. An I cant afford a car that cost so much.Considering the fact that im a college student. Plus I would rather work on the car to get more power an better looks. If everyone went out an bought a 400 or 500 hp car. Then after you bought them you wouldnt have any money to do anything to it. So everyone would basically have the same car running the same 1/4 times.

GatorFan08

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Oh an btw my car is very nice. I have a 00 T/a m6. The interior is all stock, an looks like new. The only thing I have done is jus a few bolt ons. So im not hating on ppl for having "nice things".

91RS

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How is starting out with 400hp retarted? Just because you can't afford it and don't have a problem working on your own car you want GM to give the car less power? That, my friend, is retarted.

GatorFan08

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They dont have to make it have less power. But just maybe bring back another car with the LS1 or the LT1. so it's easier for people to get into it.

SDB

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I understand your wanting to be able to get into a new car for cheap, but your logic of making it slow BECAUSE you like to make things faster is just nonsense. Get out of college, get a good job, and buy a fast car. If you really like doing what you say you do, go buy a 72 nova for $700 and make it run hard for about $6000.

burnzilla

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The LS1 and LT1 are H.I.S.T.O.R.Y.

00454sscamaro

well if the new 500hp/or similar camaro's have a markup im not going to get one.... like the mustang gt500's 40k markup= 90k for a 500hp rated mustang??? (i just went to look at one at my local ford dealership)i was amazed at the price, and not so amazed with the car. it was a silver vert in there showroom. they were looking at me like i was crazy ( i drove there in my ss) i would of too.. with the parts i got waiting to install my car's already faster.

wickedwarlock

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I agree, markup is there because people have more money than brains. I will give the benefit of a doubt and spend 5k over msrp, but that's the max. It's purely dealer greed, but they know someone will buy it.

A perfect example is the viper. It use to be a $45k car just like corvette during its first few years. Since it was always ahead of the corvette, magically, it's now an $80k+ car. Now here's the part I find ironic, they can build an srt-10 truck for $50k with the same motor. In my opinion, it's nothing but bs.

They look at gm with the hummer, yeap, the h1 use to be 48k, now it's at 100k+, why do you think that is? Marketing, celebraties are purchasing them?

You bet, it's become a commedity, period, and they are taking advanctage of it. Just like the SSR, was supose to be $25k originally. Everyone wanted one, so gm decided to make it a signature series, lol, the $25k original price tag went to $40k.

Like I said, more money than brains or just taking advantage of what is selling currently?

I would love to see a ls7 camaro, it will never happen, I don't think that gm would take that step again like they did it the past making the same motors for both. Possibly an ls2, but I don't think we will ever see that ls7 in it, at least during the same production year.

gd1996

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I'm suprised to see so mnay votes for the challenger... not sure if its mentioned, but they are suppose to get a new engine for them, 6.6 hemi and come with a 6 speed. Something closer to 500hp...

Bombtechrt

That's what I heard also, but lately news has leaked out that the 6.6 is actually 6.9.

superGMman

I think that the Challenger's stats are even more questionable than GM's.
The Challenger as it sits isn't going to be produced at that cost. Knowing Dodge and using common sense the car will weigh a ton and will be very expensive.

The base mustang will be quite below it's GM and Dodge rivals-as will it's performance.

Besides the GT500 all of the other high performance versions of the Challenger, Mustang, and Camaro are just here-say. I'll believe all this stuff when I see it, for now speculating on all this is just blind guesses.

Alot of plans and development are going on for sure but the general public IE us have no idea what were talking about. Until announcements are made it'll just be all hoopajoop.


Just my opinion of course.

bww3588

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i think i speak for everyone when i say i hope the new challenger weighs a ton.

98whiteFormula

Camaro with LS7 as an option=ZL1

Firehawk526

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I would have to see in person first, in lieu of speculating what and how much these vehicles will produce/cost. Concepts get my interest, but the final product is what will determine my purchasing decisions.

At the moment, based on what I've seen/read, I'd opt out for the Challenger!

69mach

Thats 425hp N/A, add a supercharger, which ford will do and you got 600hp and we arent discussing a Z06 we are talking about a camaro. ok put the z06 in the comaro thats a 500hp a prob 3800lb car (sorry the camaro isnt gonna be 3500 lbs) vs a 600hp 4000lb car That would be about equal. And trust me Ford isnt worried about how much faster the camaro will be they care more about sales and seeing that the mustang will have a 4 year head start....u get the point all im saying is right when the camaro comes out, Ford will be rite behind GM with a brand new mustang, and whatever performance GM has at the moment im sure Ford will one up. Thats how its always been.

bww3588

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1. when ford adds a blower its going to blow the price up about 10 grand or more.
2. since when does a factory blower add 175 hp to the motor? not anytime soon. the 03-04 cobra's with the blower only added 80 hp. so going off this pattern, if ford makes the 09 hurricane mustang i look for it to weigh about 4200 lbs and have about 500 HP (+/-) and cost around 60K without the dealer mark up.
3. ford has never one upped GM. never. the mustang has always been slower than the camaro. sorry but a stock 281 cant touch a stock LS1. and the LS1 uses 100 year old cam in block, pushrod technology. i know the LS1 has a 65 CID advantage but ford has never one upped GM. infact it was quite the opposite. the mustang came out in late 64 and the camaro came out in 66 and pretty much walked all over the mustang as far as performance untill ford started stuffing the boss engines in the mustangs. which was nothing a 396 camaro couldnt take care of. the boss 429 was easily walked by a 427 Nickey or Yenko camaro. the mid 70's to early 90's was a joke for both mustang and chevrolet so im not going to even compare the 2. but in 1993 the camaro walked all over the mustang and hasent stopped yet. a new 05-07 mustang still has trouble driving around our camaros. the only mustang that i can think of that out did the camaro was the Terminators. but they were about 20k more than a camaro in their time. which for the extra 20k i can take a camaro and make it run 10 seconds or less.