htown_bird

Any idea(s) of the V6 that might be used in the new Camaro and what kind of HP/TQ numbers it might produce?

Would the HP be closer to 240hp or 280hp for the V6?
What about TQ numbers? Your guesstimates?

3.8L engine or bigger?

How will the new Camaro fair against the Mustang V6 or even the Mustang GT?


I know that I can not wait untill the arrival of the Z28, and as each day passes by; its another day closer (hoping) to a Black Z28 being sold.

OctaneZ28

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Well, look at some of the new powertrains coming out in other GM products.

There's a new 3.6L V6 that makes 267hp.

I think a hi-po version of that motor being 300+hp is not out of the question.

Bring the Noise

The Cam Phaser 3.9 from the Pontiac G6 would probably make the cut as well.

From the G6's spec page.
3.9L V6 Engine - The available 240hp V6 - with sequential fuel injection, provides 85 percent of its 241 lb-ft of torque from 1600 rpm to 6000 rpm, and boosts acceleration from 0-60 in 6.6 seconds.

Now toss in a slightly larger cam and let it exhaust through a dual 2 1/2 setup (which would cuts GM's cost as the V8 will more then likely have a dual 2 1/2" setup) and we could easily see a 300hp 3.9L V-6 Fbody.



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And from GM's perspective the OHV 3.9L cost's less to produce -vs- the DOHC 3.6L

CrabhartLS1

i'm thinking the 3.9 too. It would be nice to see even the base model with some semblence of power.

htown_bird

So if the 3.9L was offered @ 267hp and 280 ft/tq how much faster would it be to a G6?
Wouldnt the G6 be lighter and therefore faster overall then the new Camaro?

What kind of power is the 3.8L producing nowadays? HP? TQ?
I would think using a current 3.8L would help the new Camaro be open for a supercharger to be added on like other 3.8L engines? Like the supercharged Grand Prix?

OctaneZ28

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The 3.8 will soon be history as the 3.9 is slowly replacing it, so don't count on a 3.8 for Camaro.
I wouldn't discount either a 3.6 or a 3.9 for production cars.
Who knows, maybe a roots blower will find its way to one of those engines.

ChocoTaco369

the new V6 mustangs run low-mid 15's stock. whatever GM does, they better get it to run a 15 flat bone stock and have the V8's into the 12's. who cares what the final HP/TQ is, i care about the SOTP power.

when i owned my 3.4L V6 firebird, i was damn sick and tired of barely edging out cavaliers and preludes when i had a damn sports car.

htown_bird

It seems that the 3.9L would be the chose to go, but if the output of the engine isn't near 270hp and 285ft/lbs; then most likely the New Camaro will have a hard time edging out cobalts and civics. The dual exhaust couldnt hurt it either. I wonder if they got plans for the either the Formula or a Trans Am to comeout a year later? Remember the 89 Turbo V6 Trans Am? Maybe GM will do something like that for a late '09 arrival of the Trans Am.


Any noise about a Formula or Trans Am out for 2009 or 2010 or 2011?

00454sscamaro

i read its to be a 3.9 in the v6 camaro.. estimated virtually to run mid 14's but the virtual is alil faster then reality(given the virtual mustang gt ran alil quicker then it does in reality). 3,400 lbs est. 260hp... idk the tourque it hasnt been mentioned in any of my magazine subscriptions. idk if these predictions are at all accurate just what i read... ^ i would by no means consider a 3.4 f body to be a sports car. even if it has the same body as higher level cars theres just nothing sporty about a 3.4 that cant get out of its own way.. 3.8's were a nice engine though.. i have driven 2 differnt cars with the 3.8 and one with the 3.4 , it shames me that chevy ever put such an engine into any car (3.4)my mom had one, she loved it but only because its looks and being convertable..my dad put a differnt rear in it to try and pep it up, it was still dog$#$t slow.. i used to drive a 3.8 oldsmobile intrigue. wasnt a bad car at all except the transmission breaking. id still like one for a dd car . probly one of the easiest car to drive fast or slow. i actually think i got to places faster in the 3.8 intrigue then i do in my ls1(reason -higher average speeds and i just care more about the ls1 so i take less chances). my sisters 3.8 camaro i drove a good amount(alil faster then the intrigue) even though i like the 3.8l i still wouldnt consider it a sports car no matter what they put it in. unless they up the hp to nissan 350z like numbers. i heard there is to be no trans am ^ just the gto wich is soposed to be the same platform as the camaro. hopefully they make the gto look alot better or just come out with the firebird instead(the modified camaro pictures, made to look like trans ams, look better then the concept camaro imo).

OctaneZ28

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Agreed.
The power won't be a problem...
Stock V6 Camaros have been running low 15s since 1998.
Seen a few freaks in the high-14s even.

Few years ago I had a 99 V6 Camaro and would routinely keep up with Mustang GTs. It was a riot.
One time in particular I ran a guy in a Cobra (yes the infamous low-on-power 99 Cobra) from 3 consecutive stop lights and he would pull only about a car length or two on me in-between them. At the last light he said to me "dude your Z should be wasting me" I said "this is a V6" and he proceeded to make this face:

Such fun.

ChocoTaco369

lol no they didn't! dude i was a 3.4L V6 guy for 3 years. the 3.8L V6's were a 16 second car. how do i know? my bone stock 3.4L V6 ran a 16.7 @ 80mph with an alumium driveshaft, a flowmaster catback and a K&N FIPK. before my mods when it was BONE STOCK, my friend's 3800 V6 beat me by 2-3 cars up to 110 and he had a flowmaster catback. that made my friend's 3.8L V6 a mid 16 second car at best. i probably woulda ran with him after my mods. we were both auto's though. my car came with 3.23's and his with 3.08's.

now the V6's with the Y87 package (3.42 gears and a posi) may have been able to hit 16 flat or high 15's but that's about it. most of the cars running 15's were Y87 packages with intake and exhaust work done. check out www.fullthrottlev6.com and check out some of the V6's times and what their mods are. it takes a lot to hit 14's.

here's a sig from full throttle V6:
granted it's a decent time but i mean c'mon, he did full exhaust, intake and a rear swap to get that GM's gotta pick it up for the new V6's. they gotta be running nearly that stock.

DARK SDE '02

3.8L y87 f-bodies run mid-high 15s stock and with a cat-back and intake nearly break into the 14s. That's less than $500 in mods, so really the new ones should be in the low to mid 14s or they're not making much progress. When we have NA 4bangers in the 14s for around $20k there's no reason not to make a performance V6 along with two V8 options

Oh, and the last generation V6s had 205hp/220tq @ around 3400lbs

ChocoTaco369

lol you are so full of it! you're talking about the Y87's! now THAT, my friends, is spin. you should work for CNN

do you know how many Y87's there were made? not many at all. 90% of the V6 3.8L f-bodies are 16 second cars - as i already mentioned, both the Y87 AND regular numbers. they were slow and died after 70mph. they literally couldn't breathe. V6 3.8L f-bodies were horribly laid out. poor gear choices, poor engine choice and they couldn't even give them posi's with the exception of the very limited Y87's. the Y87's were the only DECENT ones and they were still dog slow high 15 - low 16 second cars at best. GM better do the new V6's right and put them near 15 flat bone stock...which will require probably 275hp if they turn out to be as heavy as they look.

DARK SDE '02

I was speaking from personal experience of course, as my car IS one of the y87s in existance As for making a "performance" V6 I doubt it'll ever happen, but it'd be good just so people respect the line more. But I'm sure GM will just dump one of the higher displacement V6s it uses in many of its other cars into the Camaro like always. I'm betting it'll be the 3.9L H.O currently in the high end G6s.

And while 15s might seem slow in comparison to blazingly fast LS1 mid 13s *yawn*, it's not that slow compared to what else was available at the time in that price range and NA. Only now are we starting to see V6s with 250hp and up and those are generally in $30k "sport" sedans which are tanks in comparison to any f-body. And the 4 cylinder cars that are breaking into the 14s all have power adders and require premium gas (not attractive to most). So really the V6 Camaro will be what it always was, a car with the sports car look, but the guts of an econobox insurance saver.

All in all who really cares about what the base model Camaro will have? I, like most of us here will be going the extra mile and putting my cash down on the top-end model whether it be SS or ZL1.

ChocoTaco369

well, i believe the new mustang V6 has 215hp and i remember reading a magazine ran it to 15.4. that's a very good time for a V6 base model ANYTHING. 15.4 is far quicker than most cars on the road.

i just want the camaro to beat it. i'd hp is a moot point so long as it runs a 15.2. it's just gotta beat the mustang. a V6 with 240-ish hp that can run the quarter in a 15.2 would ensure to a degree a good amount of sales. V6 f-body sales were disappointing compared to mustang sales. they gotta really market this baby...and for God's sake GM, put a posi in it!

Chadder

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Hey ChocoTaco, come over to fullthrottlev6.com before you decide you know everything about GM 6 bangers. We have bone stock non-y87 m5 cars in the very low 15's. We have plenty of non-y87 A4 cars running a little better than 15.5. The Y-87 package is really just gears and an LSD for A4 cars and just an LSD for m5 cars. (dual exhaust also, but that actually has no advantage over stock exhaust). Oh, and the 3.4 was 93-95, and the 3.8 was 95 (in california only)- '02.

OctaneZ28

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I'm just speaking from experience, I had 2 V6s before my current Z28.
My 96 V6 ran 15.88 stock, my 99 V6 ran 15.67 stock.

I've seen many V6 cars in the mid-15s stock, and high 14s lightly modded.

ChocoTaco369

i am a member of fullthrottlev6.com. i've been a member for over a year. i owned V6's for 3 years of my life. my friend had a V6. i've ridden in several V6's. they are generally 16 second cars. his auto w/3.08's was a low-mid 16 second car. GM HAS to do better than that. you can't take a handful of factory freak manual cars that have somehow knicked into the 15's and call them the norm. all new mustangs will run in the mid 15's. GM needs to do the same.

WECIV

I cannot believe we are argueing about the V6 model...Give it a 3.9 with duals and we can all be happy. However, give me an LS7!!!

W

ChocoTaco369

why not argue over the V6 model? the V6 model will be what makes or breaks the camaro. more V6's will be produced and sold, especially now at the time of $3 gas that only seems to be getting higher with no relief in sight.

the V6 camaros and firebirds of the 4th generation didn't sell well enough to keep them afloat. you can be sure that if they don't sell well on the 5th generation, the camaro won't be around very long. whether you want to admit it or not, the V6 model is FAR more important to the existence of the camaro than the V8 model.