Gun5

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ya especially with almost 3.50-4 $ premium gas imagine what it will be in 2010

Gun5

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ya especially with almost 3.50-4 $ premium gas imagine what it will be in 2010

ya they might sell to a few thousand of us here but they want to sell to millions i doubt they are just gonna cater to us horsepower loving bastards most people just want a car with alot of "pep" and decent gas mileage

wabmorgan

I would have to agree with you that, "More room, better normal driving traction, everyone needed to get one because they were better."

Front drive is better for normal driving. Or even better AWD!!!!!!!!

I know my bird is not very good in snow. My Cadilliac (FWD) is much better. Also, my truck has poor traction in snow. (I'm getting a 4wd next time.)

I also think a large scale return to RWD would be a disaster for GM.... but I don't think they are planning to that.

I think you will find the GM RWD cars limited to Corvette, Camaro, and the GTO or Firebird.... and G8.

staringback05

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sad but true

LSjinx

Well, I like to have an LS7 or a S/C LS3; but i like to think on the realistic side and economical side.

-base V6 (if its GM, then they will use the cheapest, RWD compatable unit)

-LS3 for all V8 models
- Z28= suspension option
- SS= drag pack option (GMPP shifter, drag springs, tune)
- RS= appearance option on SS or base/stripper
- base/stripper= Basically a SS without drag pack option

This is realistic and can be done to make the car affordable. I like to have monster from the factory, but im not going to pay GM to do it. I buy a SS (from above) for 30k and throw a 10k at it. If GM put multiple V8 and off-the-wall power levels then a decent Camaro is going to cost around 40k. And I bet the power level will not be any near from what I want and I then would not be able to afford upgrades.

I come from a mustang background and Im disappointed in Ford direction in performance. So, here I am at GMs door step. But I do realize one good thing from the mustang that keeps it in the game, marketing. Although the power is the suck, the mustang makes a stang for every fan of the car.

-base V6 ( majority sales, makes the chassis cheaper; the more exclusive the chassis the more expensive.
- GT- base V8
- Shelby GT- intake, suspension, appearance
- Ford Racing Drag Pack Option (basically a shelby without the name/ look)
- GT500- heavy weight monster ( hell this cost in a Z06 range, buy a vette)

These are example of a good market for a pony car. Everyone wants a GT500 killer, a LS2 C6 can do that stock. And plus the ford does have a chassis against the vette; they used to one against f-bodies to do it. A LS3 for all can do it; it worked for the 4th Gens. So basically is sum it up:

K.I.S.S. method= Keep It Simple, Stupid.

hc8719

I want to know who voted for the 300 HP z28/400 HP SS option?

Who would buy a car (in 2009) that has the same horsepower (less actually) than your 11 year old, 1998 Trans Am?

If you're going to bitch about high cost, then why are you on a high performance forum?

If you want a sporty looking car that performs ok, and is mass produced, very common, and a bit cheaper, get a Mustang, if you want a sporty car that was invented to "Tear up Mustangs" than you need a Camaro

The American

Crude, but makes me smile. Not arguement from me. I had always drove mustangs, but i feeling like i out grown them and ready for something more. I ready to throw down around 30k on a Camaro; and with that money i like to see around 400hp too. If it cost around 40k, i just get a vette. But i still like the looks of the 5th gen more than the vette.

hc8719

If GM's 2008 Cadillac CTS 3.6L V6 engine, or the G8's 262 HP V6 is a sign of anything to come, theres a good chance one of the three V6's GM is putting into the new Camaro will be raking in 300hp. So don't count on a 4.8L or a 5.3 V8

JAvenger007

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3100lb AWD S/C LS9 for the win!

kebie05

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i think it ought to be a z28 with 450 hp (since gto had 400), and ss with 550 (since gt500 has 500). chevy hp rating have always been a little above the rest, so i think that sounds about right.

hc8719

With what engine will this 450 HP be pumped from? A detuned LS7?

And the 550 HP? If GM does put the LS9 in a Camaro, (they're doing it for some crazy *** CTS, so for all the doubtfuls out there, lets pretend the LS9 is put in a Camaro), the Camaro would be detuned to around 600 HP, hopefully more though, as the Vette will still be the top dog with 700 HP

ShowtimeSteeleLS1SS

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can you imagin V6 camaros Ripping on 305hp V8 Mustangs lol thats funny i cant even imagine, i work for Caddy and i actually like the 3.6 its very responsive and if put together well , it has the potential of the good ol Grand National V6 with V8 Power not bad for a entry level camaro that probobly will be priced around 23k to start.

Hydramatic

I don't think that it will come with the 3.6L as a base engine, more likely another version of the 3900 with DoD. It might be an option, but I'd rather have a 5.3/6.0 with DoD and a six speed auto/manual, which would very likely turn around nearly identical numbers as the 3.6L and cost a helluva lot less to produce. The use of a small V8 would also allow for the mass production of more V8-specific parts, making each level of V8 less expensive the more levels there are. It's the WalMart effect: if you buy stuff in bulk, you can pass the savings on to the consumer or make the interior that much nicer, or whatever. I for one would prefer a nicer interior over a nicer v6.

hc8719

I'd hope at the least the LLT 3.6 liter would be an option though, the 3900 series has been terrible in every Monte Carlo I've driven, I prefer the torquier 3800 III. The 3900 in a car as heavy as an 09 Camaro would be a waste of a Camaro

And the 5.3 LS4? Wouldn't the 3.6 have better emmisions, and be cheaper? The LS4 is aging, and by 2009...

The 5.3 isn't mass produced either, I think whichever engine GM puts in the the Camaro, will be the deciding factor on how cheap they end up

ShowtimeSteeleLS1SS

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+1 True

Hydramatic

Please tell me the last part was a joke right?

hc8719

Given the 3.6 liter is put in a Camaro, and if GM plans to sell at least 100,000 a year, the majority will be V6's, how's that funny? You still think the 5.3 liter will be put in the Camaro, despite the fact the G8 GT is getting a 6.0 liter standard

Hydramatic

Actually I was referring to your inane comment about the 5.3L not being a Mass-produced engine.

As for your other comment, I've already realized that it could(and quite possibly will...) be the L76 with DOD going in instead of the 5.3L, but you never know! ****, Ford carried the 302 over to the S195 platform instead of putting the brand spanking new 4.6L in right away. Why? production issues and what not.

I'm telling you the truth though, the 3.6L, in the form you guys want it to be in(aka Cadillac Spec) is very unlikely to show up as a base model engine, and doesn't have much of a case against a 5.3/6.0L as far as performance and cost to produce go. Sure, it's a nice V6, one that I would love to see in the Camaro, but it doesn't make much financial sense when compared to the rest of GM's engine stable. Plus, as I've mentioned a time or two before, why would anyone want to buy a V6 when you could have a better-performing V8 for the same or lower price?

The majority will be V6's, that is for certain, but they are going to be either 3900's or something in that family of V6's simply for fuel economy's sake. Who knows, maybe they'll even make it run a little nicer...

Think of it this way, if an Impala can get an est. ~30mpg with the 3900 dod, then a Camaro with less weight and better aerodynamics should get well over that....

tirefryer

You must be joking? What about the Bugati? 1000HP and street legal. GM is tetsing a 700HP vette now, the issue I have been reading is not the trans or rear, but getting the power to the ground. Wake up man it is 2007.

brandonppr

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I don't think Chevy is going away anytime soon. Why is FWD so much better than RWD?
FWD has its problems too:
Torque steer- I hate this about FWD cars it makes driving them feel very unrefined.
Towing limits are lower-
CV joints wearing out-
Less turning radius-
More difficult to do maintane yourself-
Less balance- you don't want all the weight on the 2 front wheels, thats not a good balanced car.
Driver off center- FWD cars throw the driver/passenger around more in a turn. When your in a RWD you are more centered and you feel more in control.

I think its a big reason for the move towards SUVs and Trucks because there was not much choice in cars. I know me myself needed a 5 passenger vehicle so I bought a truck because of the limited RWD cars available. I now have a CTS which is RWD and it is one of my favorite cars every, I love driving the car. I hate driving FWD cars.

Bring on the RWDs