ChocoTaco369

actually, it does. see, i've been right this whole time. you've been wrong this whole time. just thought i'd clarify.

and it's a widely known fact that people were getting the cars for over $40k. what's your point? you don't have any documentation proving this. you just think that somewhere out there, someone had to have bought a new terminator for under $30k. it's a complete fabrication on your part. yes, odds are someone out there did, but odds are MANY MORE PEOPLE paid over $40k than there were people paying under $30k. low production specialty cars available for only 2 years with blown, fully forged motors tend not to sell for under MSRP.

he forgot to add in the line: "if you can find someone desperate enough for one." that has NO REFLECTION ON ITS VALUE. what you have is a poor, desperate bastard overpaying for a car that's worth $8,000 less. again, you don't understand the concept of "value" vs. underpaying/overpaying.

i'm still waiting for this guy to make a comparison that's found in this thread. why is he quoting values for an LT1? i see he only quotes blue book values when he can make them look like they support him

the funny thing about what he's doing is, he's comparing a newer cobra with a higher MSRP to an older SS with a lower MSRP. terminators aren't as old as f-bodys are and they were stickered at thousands more, so how is raw price a fair comparison? you have to look at everything proportionally - something you fail to do, because it doesn't support your agenda.

are you aware that the LS1 is not a fully forged motor where the terminator motor was since it came stock with a supercharger? the LS1 was designed to be an NA motor, not a supercharged motor. care to compare an LS1 to a mach 1 4V motor, also designed to be NA? the LS1 trounces it. now, if you care to forge the LS1's internals to make it comparable to the 4V forged cobra motor, than yes, there are LS1's out there that can hold 900 HP like an '03 cobra motor can. care to skew more information and make more apples to oranges comparisons?

i'll be glad to go get my cookie when you find your missing brain cells. a million sperm and you're the one that survived? you make me nervous about the future of humanity.

so, what you're saying is, there's no weak link in the terminators, huh? why would you bring up the rear end in the f-body? where is that relevant? if you can bring up the rear end in an f-body, then i can bring up every single automatic transmission ever put in a mustang. they were all huge pieces of ****.


i got proved wrong, eh?

to everyone reading this thread:

who here do you think has a better argument, me or brainchild up there?

so far, i'm up 2 to 0. i'd be interested if everyone takes a vote and keeps a running tally of the score. you can vote against me if you want, i have no problem with that, so no need to fear my wrath i can handle criticism. and sorry if my grammar's bad in some posts. i wrote a lot - quickly - and no way i'm rereading it all

chavez885

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HOLY **** LOL

porsche9874

Woo ahh!! Now back to the original post. Carwashing. I need you guys to know I took my sweet 04' Ford Explorer through the carwash today.. twice. Sorry.

tennz28

I was at a coffee shop today across from a car wash, watched a 4x4 jeep full of mud go threw the "brush" wash. Then right after him went a nice 02 Camaro SS!! After this thread, the people next to me had to think I was nuts cause I cracked up in the middle of the coffee shop! God I love tuesday!

1meantransam

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my vote is with you

and actually the tally is more like 20-0 or we can give him 1 so it doesn't look like he's a complete dumbshit

The Black Mamba

OMG. Did you have to repaint the entire car?

bww3588

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as i recall, the IRS in the terminators was a weak link as well. just as many people who are putting 12 bolts in their f-bodies are swapping their IRS for SRA setups in their Cobras. so your point is invalid.

560SL

Except you can make money doing it in the Cobra, rather than be out $2,500 with an F-body.

Again, Choco, you obviously think you're right, I obviously think you're wrong. People defend you because you're arguing on behalf of the F-bodies. That's fine, and understandable. I'll be the bigger man and walk away from this one.

Take it easy...

Optimus_Prime

iTrader: (4)

lol

choco you have no idea what you're talking about. ls1 trouncing the mach 1 motor? haha mach 1 vs. ls1 is a drivers race and the mach has 1.1 less liters.

i also agree with 560 that mustangs hold their value about the same as fbodies. hell, he even compared the ls1 ss to a 98 cobra (top of the line models for both) and the cobra was worth a bit more. like he said, it can go either way. you act like one is WAY more valuable than the other...and thats coming from someone with 2 fbodies.

on a side note: do you have a lot of free time or what?

lol were all v8 muscle owners here cant we just get along?

porsche9874

No, it was a touchless carwash, I dont have the heart to put it through a brush wash =/ ....now if I could just save a little money for that LS1/explorer conversion, I would have my SUV and the best engine of all time!!! Or I could buy a trailblazer SS =)

Can we change it up a little, Im bored.

Trailblazer SS v/s Explorer V8 ? I vote the SS. I drive an Explorer cause it was cheap.....boy is it cheap, LOL!

ChocoTaco369

who is talking about the cars? they are a drivers race because the machs have steeper gearing than f-bodys, not because the engine is better. the LS1 is a much better engine than the one in the mach and it has much bigger potential, not to mention it's cheaper to fix and work on compared to the mach's OHC design.

ford's depreciate faster. f-bodys keep their value better.

on a tuesday night? yup.

ChocoTaco369

no, i know i'm right. this was an argument about value. you were talking about what people pay on the street - the best and worst deals for these cars. what they sell for and what they're worth are two different thingss. when you realize this, then we'll start getting somewhere.

1meantransam

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have you read a word said in this whole thread?

the_merv

iTrader: (88)

You guys are still goin at it..

1meantransam

iTrader: (8)

its a never ending battle, i personally love it, gives me something to read well im at work

99camarosupersport

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You're right, by your friends.
Just saw a 5.0, 5spd with 30k on the clock for 5k around here. hmmm....

This is ricockoulas.

tylerdj

iTrader: (31)

I saw one with around 55K go for $5200


IBTL!

1meantransam

iTrader: (8)

+3

99camarosupersport

iTrader: (6)

I started a revolution 9 pages in, whoo! haha

560SL

You're kidding right? Right about what? Here, look at a VERY well known market analyst speak on the subject:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU

So you know better than him right?