An insult to ls1's! Wikipedia being biased!
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My Kong Fu is better than your's.
My milk shake is better than your's
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My Kong Fu is better than your's.
My milk shake is better than your's
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#243
You really should pay more attention. The only thing I recall implying didn't really compete was the rest of the pony cars vs the 2003/4 Cobra AKA "Terminator" and then, that against the ZO6.
You won't find that to be true if you do as I said above. I never argued hp/l even once, though your mind has you believing I did. My point was clear early on. The 5.4L EASILY competes with larger displacement engines without being made larger still. If you can find a moment where I said Mustangs are superior here, you'll have made it up. That's because I didn't say it and I wasn't arguing that point at all. DAMN~ITMAN!!! PAY ATTENTION BEFORE SPOUTING AND STOP MAKING THINGS UP!!!!
It might help if you knew more and researched less!
Really, then why are you on a LS1 technical site talking about Mustangs being "superior" and trying to argue for hp/l?
I only joined this discussion to clear up the very misinformed fanboys.
#244
Faster is faster.
Your comparing a 4 seat muscle car 3650lb muscle car to a 2 seat Vette driven commonly by old people. Dont get me wrong but this is apples to oranges. A real track is defined by your and only your meaning, get real and grow up.
This thread is entertaining btw.
Your comparing a 4 seat muscle car 3650lb muscle car to a 2 seat Vette driven commonly by old people. Dont get me wrong but this is apples to oranges. A real track is defined by your and only your meaning, get real and grow up.
This thread is entertaining btw.
I know this doesn't go against what your saying, but 21 here driving a 00' Vert.
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.9 seconds IS quite an accomplishment for a supercar that costs what? 50-80,000 more? You're right, we shouldn't even look at those numbers.
Ford GT's haven't appreciated, sorry to tell you. MAYBE in years ahead, but it's too early to predict. Unless you somehow can prove me otherwise, I go with what the automotive sites value these cars at and what traded/used values are at RIGHT NOW. You must mean a new never driven collector's car? I'm sure a limied production Honda Civic will hold it's value if you never drive it. It's a FORD.
Anyway this is mostly off-topic. So perhaps we should stop.
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.9 seconds IS quite an accomplishment for a supercar that costs what? 50-80,000 more? You're right, we shouldn't even look at those numbers.
Ford GT's haven't appreciated, sorry to tell you. MAYBE in years ahead, but it's too early to predict. Unless you somehow can prove me otherwise, I go with what the automotive sites value these cars at and what traded/used values are at RIGHT NOW. You must mean a new never driven collector's car? I'm sure a limied production Honda Civic will hold it's value if you never drive it. It's a FORD.
Anyway this is mostly off-topic. So perhaps we should stop.
How cant you say FGT prices are going up. They dropped off for a while in 2006 and many were selling for MSRP but since then many have sold for more. These cars continue to trade hands for more and more money every day. Money paid for a car is a ricer argument at best.
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You're the one who brought it up douche. I was justifying my argument. The prices for used Ford GT's isn't going UP, if they were I'd agree with you. I'm using general car website's and price lists to determine my argument. Do you own a Ford GT? You didn't provide me any evidence, when I'm seeing Ford GT's selling for under MSRP/invoice when they are used. Take a new Z06, never drive it for years and I bet it hold's its value or maybe goes up, thats your same argument.
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You're the one who brought it up douche. I was justifying my argument. The prices for used Ford GT's isn't going UP, if they were I'd agree with you. I'm using general car website's and price lists to determine my argument. Do you own a Ford GT? You didn't provide me any evidence, when I'm seeing Ford GT's selling for under MSRP/invoice when they are used. Take a new Z06, never drive it for years and I bet it hold's its value or maybe goes up, thats your same argument.
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wow this **** is soo funny!!hehehe. First off, yes the ls1 is superior to most mustang/cobra motors, with the exception of the 03-04 cobras. Some people on this site fail to realize that doing cam and head swaps aren't neccesary with this car. The cobras are really underated as are the ls1's but termi's are putting about 380-390 rwhp down. where the ls1's are putting about 325 down, i believe. Yes a cam and head swap will make a ls1 pretty fast and beable to beat a stock termi but all the termi has to do is a simple pully swap intake and exhaust and they are well in the high 400's easily. When people say that ford has to use a poweradder to match or pass the ls1's all motor power levels, keep in mind the size of them. They were put on also as a cheap way of modifying them, because we all know most aren't stock. That being said the ls1 motors are infact a great motor but do have some flaws as does any other motor. Alot of people on this site are really biased towards there own cars. This thread needs to end, im getting stupider by the second reading this....is stupider a word, MAN!!! see what i mean! ugh!! lol
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wow this **** is soo funny!!hehehe. First off, yes the ls1 is superior to most mustang/cobra motors, with the exception of the 03-04 cobras. Some people on this site fail to realize that doing cam and head swaps aren't neccesary with this car. The cobras are really underated as are the ls1's but termi's are putting about 380-390 rwhp down. where the ls1's are putting about 325 down, i believe. Yes a cam and head swap will make a ls1 pretty fast and beable to beat a stock termi but all the termi has to do is a simple pully swap intake and exhaust and they are well in the high 400's easily. When people say that ford has to use a poweradder to match or pass the ls1's all motor power levels, keep in mind the size of them. They were put on also as a cheap way of modifying them, because we all know most aren't stock. That being said the ls1 motors are infact a great motor but do have some flaws as does any other motor. Alot of people on this site are really biased towards there own cars. This thread needs to end, im getting stupider by the second reading this....is stupider a word, MAN!!! see what i mean! ugh!! lol
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Saying that an engine can make the same peak hp as an engine of larger displacement. While the whole time I was saying the displacement is irrelevant, because weight and size are what matters. This is the real world, not a racing series where displacement is limited.
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Dont get me wrong but this is apples to oranges. A real track is defined by your and only your meaning, get real and grow up.
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1) Wiki doesn't keep your edits unless you have legit sources and it doesn't get reviewed until later on (as far as I know).
2) Guys relax, there has always been a war between these cars, without it GM would have no reason to improve our cars.
3) Remeber that we are talking about the wiki article not whats better ford or gm.
2) Guys relax, there has always been a war between these cars, without it GM would have no reason to improve our cars.
3) Remeber that we are talking about the wiki article not whats better ford or gm.
#258
THAT right there is hp/l.
Saying that an engine can make the same peak hp as an engine of larger displacement. While the whole time I was saying the displacement is irrelevant, because weight and size are what matters. This is the real world, not a racing series where displacement is limited.
Saying that an engine can make the same peak hp as an engine of larger displacement. While the whole time I was saying the displacement is irrelevant, because weight and size are what matters. This is the real world, not a racing series where displacement is limited.
Hp/l would mean I am saying it makes the same or more hp per litre. I'm not saying that. It makes the same or more overall power. It happens to be smaller. I suppose that does mean it makes more power per litre, but so what? It makes enough to be on the very same playing field.
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Apparently you don't. The GT is not easy to drive well. That said, I've seen one run 11.27@ over 130mph on track at Gainesville in July. It was the talk of the afternoon, judging by the announcer, who kept "reminding" everyone that the car was verified as totally stock as a dealer brought it for testing against stock Porsche 911's. Incidentally, it kicked their asses. I looked it over and it looked completely stock, including the window sticker sitting in the seat.
I've seen all the info I need to take note of one ZO6 which ran 11.17 all stock, so it is honestly formidable against anything stock. While I think the ZO6 is better bang for the buck than most true performance cars, I'd rather own a GT because you won't see one everyday. And it will run over 200mph.
This whole thread has made me laugh plenty, but there are some people who can't be reached.
On a side note: You, ponygt65, come off as very arrogant, particularly for evidently, a newbie. I ain't sayin' you're just wrong, but at least take a moment to realize you're hardly perfect, even about Fords. Others may seem ignorant, but at least we may get them clued in at some point. It won't be easy if you act like a jerk at every turn.
I've seen all the info I need to take note of one ZO6 which ran 11.17 all stock, so it is honestly formidable against anything stock. While I think the ZO6 is better bang for the buck than most true performance cars, I'd rather own a GT because you won't see one everyday. And it will run over 200mph.
This whole thread has made me laugh plenty, but there are some people who can't be reached.
On a side note: You, ponygt65, come off as very arrogant, particularly for evidently, a newbie. I ain't sayin' you're just wrong, but at least take a moment to realize you're hardly perfect, even about Fords. Others may seem ignorant, but at least we may get them clued in at some point. It won't be easy if you act like a jerk at every turn.
As for me being arrogant. I expect no less than some of the members on here. Fact is, I know mustangs. Ask me about first generations...and SN95s, and I can help. Can I tell you about 73-93, NOPE...and I have never claimed to. There is ALOT of ignorance about mustangs on this board. The ONLY time I have had a problem on this board, is when an ignorant member chooses to be a 'know it all' on a subject that they don't know that much about...and is clearly proven by what is said. If you do a search on my posts, you would know that....instead of commenting on my posts in one thread. Furthermore, y ou have no idea how many PMs I get helping members out regarding mustangs.
From your wiki article:
"While in production, SVT had codenamed this model the "Terminator", since it was supposed to finally put an end to any competition between the Cobra and the Trans Am / Camaro."
Funny I dont see anything about a Corvette, none the less a Z06...
When it comes to the vette, the only thing the Cobra would "terminate" is their own owners pride when barley being able to see the rear end of a base model C5 on a track (a real track, one with turns).
"While in production, SVT had codenamed this model the "Terminator", since it was supposed to finally put an end to any competition between the Cobra and the Trans Am / Camaro."
Funny I dont see anything about a Corvette, none the less a Z06...
When it comes to the vette, the only thing the Cobra would "terminate" is their own owners pride when barley being able to see the rear end of a base model C5 on a track (a real track, one with turns).
Looks like you need to do some research yourself...
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...65&forum_id=49
Ranger, the same guy who ran high 11s in a bone stock C5 Z06, ran low 11s in a bone stock C6 Z06, and high 10s with just drag radials...
Again, research, a stock C6 Z06 has broken 200mph on GPS.
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=80507
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...65&forum_id=49
Ranger, the same guy who ran high 11s in a bone stock C5 Z06, ran low 11s in a bone stock C6 Z06, and high 10s with just drag radials...
Again, research, a stock C6 Z06 has broken 200mph on GPS.
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=80507
What has this got to do with a GT? NOTHING, of course! I already knew about "Ranger" and his 11.1, which is what I was referencing in my post, hence: 11.17 in the 1st place. Obviously I did my research, albeit, not today.
I never said the ZO6 wouldn't run 200 or more mph. I never even hinted that. I simply listed a reason I like the GT. It had NOTHING ON EARTH to do with the ZO6. Unlike you, I'm not here to have a pissing contest. Sheesh, get a life, or at least a job requiring use of time for something other than trying to fight on the internet.
Maybe you can feel better if I also say the "Terminator" name didn't have a thing to do with the Cobra competing with the ZO6??? The Cobra is a "pony" car and the Corvette has always been a true sports car. They are in a totally different area where competition is concerned. That help???
I never said the ZO6 wouldn't run 200 or more mph. I never even hinted that. I simply listed a reason I like the GT. It had NOTHING ON EARTH to do with the ZO6. Unlike you, I'm not here to have a pissing contest. Sheesh, get a life, or at least a job requiring use of time for something other than trying to fight on the internet.
Maybe you can feel better if I also say the "Terminator" name didn't have a thing to do with the Cobra competing with the ZO6??? The Cobra is a "pony" car and the Corvette has always been a true sports car. They are in a totally different area where competition is concerned. That help???
Ironic...........comes to mind. A stang guy coming in stating the C6Z being faster than Fords Super car that cost 2-3 times as much.....and he is getting bashed for it.
#260
WOW I read the first few posts and skipped the rest. Some of you guys are acting like your 5 and crying when someone calls you a name. The important thing to remember is THIS IS THE INTERNET which is made up of probally around 90% bull s*** and 10% creditable material. Smart people can tell the difference and ignore the BS. Wikipedia is part of that 90% BS considering that ANYONE can write on it and edit/add information. NON of VERY little of it is creditable material that is from a creditable author. Just b/c the ford guys are being retarded and adding dumb S*** in there lets not stoop down to there level. If anyone reads that and actually believes it Im glad they dont have a LS1 b/c they would give us a bad reputation.