General Maintenance & Repairs Leaks | Squeaks | Clunks | Rattles | Grinds

Hard start and random misfire (updated with screen shots and VIDEOS)

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 10-20-2011, 04:49 PM
  #1  
TECH Enthusiast
Thread Starter
 
6898camaross's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Catoosa oklahoma
Posts: 506
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Hard start and random misfire (updated with screen shots and VIDEOS)

Ok car is a 98 z28 m6 I have a hard time starting it. It will crank over a few times and not start then I crank it some more and it starts or if its warmed up and I kill it but try to start it up right after I shut it off it will start right up. And I also have a random misfire that I can't find this has all been goin on ever since I rebuilt the motor and put it back in the car.

Any help is appreciated

Last edited by 6898camaross; 10-26-2011 at 01:02 AM.
Old 10-21-2011, 09:04 PM
  #2  
TECH Enthusiast
Thread Starter
 
6898camaross's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Catoosa oklahoma
Posts: 506
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Bump.
Old 10-22-2011, 11:55 PM
  #3  
TECH Enthusiast
Thread Starter
 
6898camaross's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Catoosa oklahoma
Posts: 506
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Bummmmm
Old 10-23-2011, 01:30 AM
  #4  
On The Tree
iTrader: (2)
 
96SilverZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: San Diego/Flagstaff
Posts: 135
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Try cleaning the MAF and check fuel pressure, any codes
Old 10-23-2011, 01:48 AM
  #5  
myk
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (4)
 
myk's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Sun Diego
Posts: 1,884
Received 12 Likes on 9 Posts

Default

Second the fuel pressure test and code check...
Old 10-24-2011, 09:28 PM
  #6  
TECH Enthusiast
Thread Starter
 
6898camaross's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Catoosa oklahoma
Posts: 506
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Ok here are some screen shots from my data logger it showed misfire on cylinder one so I swapped coils with number two and reset my codes and today it just showed p0300 random misfire and p3101 and c3103 which I have no clue what those are
Attached Thumbnails Hard start and random misfire (updated with screen shots and VIDEOS)-oebv8l.jpg   Hard start and random misfire (updated with screen shots and VIDEOS)-ygr5zl.jpg   Hard start and random misfire (updated with screen shots and VIDEOS)-mj24el.jpg   Hard start and random misfire (updated with screen shots and VIDEOS)-odn94l.jpg  
Old 10-24-2011, 10:12 PM
  #7  
wrencher
iTrader: (2)
 
wrencher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Chicagoland
Posts: 4,762
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Check your fuel pressure, but seeing those screen shots it is adding alot of fuel to bank 1.
More than just a misfire worth. Might have something to do with your codes, 2 of them are O2 codes.
Old 10-24-2011, 10:13 PM
  #8  
On The Tree
iTrader: (2)
 
96SilverZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: San Diego/Flagstaff
Posts: 135
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Wouldn't hurt to swap O2s, I would also test your injectors
Old 10-24-2011, 11:02 PM
  #9  
myk
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (4)
 
myk's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Sun Diego
Posts: 1,884
Received 12 Likes on 9 Posts

Default

Agreed with the above again. On a similar note, faulty fuel pressure or even running low on gas can cause the misfire codes...
Old 10-25-2011, 08:27 AM
  #10  
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (1)
 
lt1pwr1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Oakland Township, MI
Posts: 618
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

Most likely you have one or two bad front o2's judging by the fuel trims and the fact that you have codes for o2 sensors. Can you get a live scan on them and see if they are switching? With your LT Fuel trim pegged at 25% I'd say you will see them not switching at all or barley at all. Just don't get the Bosch o2's, go with the Denso's from Amazon or RockAuto

Actually, looking at your last pic it is pretty obvious you have a failing o2. See how your fuel trims are very high 23%-25% for bank 1 only? And your bank 2 is in normal specs at around 2-3%? Means you have an issue with bank 1
Old 10-25-2011, 05:58 PM
  #11  
TECH Enthusiast
Thread Starter
 
6898camaross's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Catoosa oklahoma
Posts: 506
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by lt1pwr1
Most likely you have one or two bad front o2's judging by the fuel trims and the fact that you have codes for o2 sensors. Can you get a live scan on them and see if they are switching? With your LT Fuel trim pegged at 25% I'd say you will see them not switching at all or barley at all. Just don't get the Bosch o2's, go with the Denso's from Amazon or RockAuto

Actually, looking at your last pic it is pretty obvious you have a failing o2. See how your fuel trims are very high 23%-25% for bank 1 only? And your bank 2 is in normal specs at around 2-3%? Means you have an issue with bank 1
Ok so could bad o2's cause a misfire? Yea I can take a vid of the live data which part do you want?
Old 10-26-2011, 12:11 AM
  #12  
wrencher
iTrader: (2)
 
wrencher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Chicagoland
Posts: 4,762
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Get the O2 issue dealt with first. A bad o2 driving it that rich can cause problems.
It can idle like crap, but cause a dead constant misfire thru the RPM range unlikely.
It sounds like you have a random misfire that was there before this fuel trim issue though?
Old 10-26-2011, 12:18 AM
  #13  
TECH Enthusiast
Thread Starter
 
6898camaross's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Catoosa oklahoma
Posts: 506
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by wrencher
Get the O2 issue dealt with first. A bad o2 driving it that rich can cause problems.
It can idle like crap, but cause a dead constant misfire thru the RPM range unlikely.
It sounds like you have a random misfire that was there before this fuel trim issue though?
I think it started at the same time I'm replacing the o2 sensor I just ordered it so.
Old 10-26-2011, 12:52 AM
  #14  
TECH Enthusiast
Thread Starter
 
6898camaross's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Catoosa oklahoma
Posts: 506
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Ok here are videos of the data logging

http://youtu.be/SkoBUz0UE9E

http://youtu.be/nR5HHZlNve0

http://youtu.be/ztJoQt34ZKo

http://youtu.be/qZS2PBEjSSg

http://youtu.be/_67ZuacFjXo
Old 10-29-2011, 12:41 AM
  #15  
TECH Enthusiast
Thread Starter
 
6898camaross's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Catoosa oklahoma
Posts: 506
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Well I replaced the o2 sensor and still the same ****
Old 10-29-2011, 01:23 PM
  #16  
On The Tree
iTrader: (2)
 
96SilverZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: San Diego/Flagstaff
Posts: 135
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I would test your bank 1 injectors for leaks



Quick Reply: Hard start and random misfire (updated with screen shots and VIDEOS)



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:22 PM.