Maxing out a bolt-on only car (stock heads, stock cam, NA)
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I'm trying to max out my stock internal car power wise. Before someone says, "not worth the swap" or "not worth it for the money", I'm not asking that. I am asking is there anything else I'm forgetting?
What the car has that I am reusing:
-UDP
-SUX2BU ram air (sealed to lid)
-Dumped TSP true duals
What is waiting to be installed:
-1 7/8 LTs
-FAST 102/ 102 TB
-Fast toys 104mm lid w/ 4in coupler
-100mm MAF
-Miezer EWP
-An actual tune with AFR readings (
)
The only other thing I can think of is wrapping the headers which I'm on the fence about and possibly switching to all synthetics (unlikely)
Max it out POWER WISE, not looking for car/ driveline information at this time
What the car has that I am reusing:
-UDP
-SUX2BU ram air (sealed to lid)
-Dumped TSP true duals
What is waiting to be installed:
-1 7/8 LTs
-FAST 102/ 102 TB
-Fast toys 104mm lid w/ 4in coupler
-100mm MAF
-Miezer EWP
-An actual tune with AFR readings (
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The only other thing I can think of is wrapping the headers which I'm on the fence about and possibly switching to all synthetics (unlikely)
Max it out POWER WISE, not looking for car/ driveline information at this time
Last edited by Magnet; 01-11-2011 at 12:17 PM.
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Dyno or track?
If track, I don't see tires or suspension on your list. Would definitely help with that 1.99 60'.
If just for power on a dyno, then I think you nailed everything except maybe some porting, but that may be moot with the stock configurations. SD tune--although I've never been a fan of it, personally.
If track, I don't see tires or suspension on your list. Would definitely help with that 1.99 60'.
If just for power on a dyno, then I think you nailed everything except maybe some porting, but that may be moot with the stock configurations. SD tune--although I've never been a fan of it, personally.
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Dyno or track?
If track, I don't see tires or suspension on your list. Would definitely help with that 1.99 60'.
If just for power on a dyno, then I think you nailed everything except maybe some porting, but that may be moot with the stock configurations. SD tune--although I've never been a fan of it, personally.
If track, I don't see tires or suspension on your list. Would definitely help with that 1.99 60'.
If just for power on a dyno, then I think you nailed everything except maybe some porting, but that may be moot with the stock configurations. SD tune--although I've never been a fan of it, personally.
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An SD tune isn't out of the question, but I like the MAF for changes in DA. Also have considered getting Tony Mamo to port the manifold, but I don't have money for that at this time..
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What about little things like MSD coil packs and removing the AC belt.
I dont know why you would attempt E85 though. Alcohol has less useable energy per volume than gasoline. Your power would decrease with E85. The only place you could use alcohol and make more power than the same engine with gas is in situations where gas would not be feasible (super high compression or massive heat etc). You would need significantly more E85 fuel to be burnt to make the same power as the same amount of gasoline without alcohol. Though most these days is E15.
I dont know why you would attempt E85 though. Alcohol has less useable energy per volume than gasoline. Your power would decrease with E85. The only place you could use alcohol and make more power than the same engine with gas is in situations where gas would not be feasible (super high compression or massive heat etc). You would need significantly more E85 fuel to be burnt to make the same power as the same amount of gasoline without alcohol. Though most these days is E15.
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What about little things like MSD coil packs and removing the AC belt.
I dont know why you would attempt E85 though. Alcohol has less useable energy per volume than gasoline. Your power would decrease with E85. The only place you could use alcohol and make more power than the same engine with gas is in situations where gas would not be feasible (super high compression or massive heat etc). You would need significantly more E85 fuel to be burnt to make the same power as the same amount of gasoline without alcohol. Though most these days is E15.
I dont know why you would attempt E85 though. Alcohol has less useable energy per volume than gasoline. Your power would decrease with E85. The only place you could use alcohol and make more power than the same engine with gas is in situations where gas would not be feasible (super high compression or massive heat etc). You would need significantly more E85 fuel to be burnt to make the same power as the same amount of gasoline without alcohol. Though most these days is E15.
Good info on E85, I wasnt aware of that. It would be too difficult to fill up anyways..
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What about little things like MSD coil packs and removing the AC belt.
I dont know why you would attempt E85 though. Alcohol has less useable energy per volume than gasoline. Your power would decrease with E85. The only place you could use alcohol and make more power than the same engine with gas is in situations where gas would not be feasible (super high compression or massive heat etc). You would need significantly more E85 fuel to be burnt to make the same power as the same amount of gasoline without alcohol. Though most these days is E15.
I dont know why you would attempt E85 though. Alcohol has less useable energy per volume than gasoline. Your power would decrease with E85. The only place you could use alcohol and make more power than the same engine with gas is in situations where gas would not be feasible (super high compression or massive heat etc). You would need significantly more E85 fuel to be burnt to make the same power as the same amount of gasoline without alcohol. Though most these days is E15.
To the OP, you pretty much have everything power wise done. You could change out the rockers, but that might not be stock internal to you. You could always mill the heads down for that little bit more compression. Other than those and E85 (and the porting you mentioned), there isn't much left to cover under pure hp. Weight, etc. is where you need to look.
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Not true. E85 does require more fuel (30% I believe) but there are definitely gains to be had. Might be minimal in a non-boosted car, but they are there with the higher octane and cooler burn. Obviously just throwing E85 in the car will not get the most out of this, so a tune would be necessary.
To the OP, you pretty much have everything power wise done. You could change out the rockers, but that might not be stock internal to you. You could always mill the heads down for that little bit more compression. Other than those and E85 (and the porting you mentioned), there isn't much left to cover under pure hp. Weight, etc. is where you need to look.
To the OP, you pretty much have everything power wise done. You could change out the rockers, but that might not be stock internal to you. You could always mill the heads down for that little bit more compression. Other than those and E85 (and the porting you mentioned), there isn't much left to cover under pure hp. Weight, etc. is where you need to look.
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E85 + good tune might net you 10hp or more, but combine that with some rockers and a good mill job on the heads and you could be looking at 20+, maybe 25-30 with that port job on the intake.
If you REALLLLLLY wanted to get ****, you would have done this on a stripper with cloth seats on a 98-00, since they have a slightly bigger cam.
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you can do basic porting to the intake yourself if the new ones are anything like the 90/90 or 92/92
skip the coils (especially junk msd coils)
I agree about rocker arms, more lift without a cam swap
Lightweight flywheel, synthetic fluids, and there's not really much else I can think of...I highly advise you do get a good driveshaft if you plan on hard track launches. The stock aluminum ones are absolute junk. My buddy has snapped 2 on street tires.
skip the coils (especially junk msd coils)
I agree about rocker arms, more lift without a cam swap
Lightweight flywheel, synthetic fluids, and there's not really much else I can think of...I highly advise you do get a good driveshaft if you plan on hard track launches. The stock aluminum ones are absolute junk. My buddy has snapped 2 on street tires.
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Wow, I looked at the wrong car in your sig.
I was going to say that I expected a lot more than 116, considering I'm full weight and a lot less mods and best trap is 112.89, 3mph wouldn't be impressive...but 120! Damn ![Rolleyes](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/rolleyes.gif)
E85 + good tune might net you 10hp or more, but combine that with some rockers and a good mill job on the heads and you could be looking at 20+, maybe 25-30 with that port job on the intake.
If you REALLLLLLY wanted to get ****, you would have done this on a stripper with cloth seats on a 98-00, since they have a slightly bigger cam.
Like I said, only for the most **** of folks.
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E85 + good tune might net you 10hp or more, but combine that with some rockers and a good mill job on the heads and you could be looking at 20+, maybe 25-30 with that port job on the intake.
If you REALLLLLLY wanted to get ****, you would have done this on a stripper with cloth seats on a 98-00, since they have a slightly bigger cam.
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I would have considered a 98-00 car because of the cam, but the heads are significantly worse, and head swaps aren't allowed.
you can do basic porting to the intake yourself if the new ones are anything like the 90/90 or 92/92
skip the coils (especially junk msd coils)
I agree about rocker arms, more lift without a cam swap
Lightweight flywheel, synthetic fluids, and there's not really much else I can think of...I highly advise you do get a good driveshaft if you plan on hard track launches. The stock aluminum ones are absolute junk. My buddy has snapped 2 on street tires.
skip the coils (especially junk msd coils)
I agree about rocker arms, more lift without a cam swap
Lightweight flywheel, synthetic fluids, and there's not really much else I can think of...I highly advise you do get a good driveshaft if you plan on hard track launches. The stock aluminum ones are absolute junk. My buddy has snapped 2 on street tires.
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Short belt mod would net you a few ponies. I would go with the SD tune if I were you. I'm working on finsihing mine up when the weather breaks.
What are you running in terms of exhaust after the headers? You may want to throw on some 12" or 24" extensions straight off the headers (to protect the O2 sensors) and ditch the rest of the exhaust for the track.
I've never done it but some people take their air filters out for the track. I've heard mixed results but might be worth a try.
I'm currently building a SI car myself, so all these things are fresh on my mind
What are you running in terms of exhaust after the headers? You may want to throw on some 12" or 24" extensions straight off the headers (to protect the O2 sensors) and ditch the rest of the exhaust for the track.
I've never done it but some people take their air filters out for the track. I've heard mixed results but might be worth a try.
I'm currently building a SI car myself, so all these things are fresh on my mind
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Short belt mod would net you a few ponies. I would go with the SD tune if I were you. I'm working on finsihing mine up when the weather breaks.
What are you running in terms of exhaust after the headers? You may want to throw on some 12" or 24" extensions straight off the headers (to protect the O2 sensors) and ditch the rest of the exhaust for the track.
I've never done it but some people take their air filters out for the track. I've heard mixed results but might be worth a try.
I'm currently building a SI car myself, so all these things are fresh on my mind![Grin](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_grin.gif)
What are you running in terms of exhaust after the headers? You may want to throw on some 12" or 24" extensions straight off the headers (to protect the O2 sensors) and ditch the rest of the exhaust for the track.
I've never done it but some people take their air filters out for the track. I've heard mixed results but might be worth a try.
I'm currently building a SI car myself, so all these things are fresh on my mind
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If you are looking for everything you an get it would be dumb jot to wait til u have the money for mamo to port it.
Chrs1313 RAM air would be on my list.. i have seen nothing but good things from it. Everything I have seen it picks up a few rwhp from the other ram airs.. every 1/2 rwhp counts, yea?
Chrs1313 RAM air would be on my list.. i have seen nothing but good things from it. Everything I have seen it picks up a few rwhp from the other ram airs.. every 1/2 rwhp counts, yea?
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If you are looking for everything you an get it would be dumb jot to wait til u have the money for mamo to port it.
Chrs1313 RAM air would be on my list.. i have seen nothing but good things from it. Everything I have seen it picks up a few rwhp from the other ram airs.. every 1/2 rwhp counts, yea?
Chrs1313 RAM air would be on my list.. i have seen nothing but good things from it. Everything I have seen it picks up a few rwhp from the other ram airs.. every 1/2 rwhp counts, yea?
I am also very content with my SUX2BU ram air.. it is a toss up between it and the chrs1313 version. Although he is partial to his own design obviously, even Chris admits they are very competitive. Plus I made mine and it is already on the car
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