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Old May 22, 2015 | 03:38 PM
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Alright so I should have some extra cash by the end of summer and I really want to upgrade my stock 02 LS1 to LS6. I don't want to go crazy and hurt my drivability or fuel economy and I don't want to break the bank either. I basically want to do some 243 or 799 heads along with an LS6 cam. At the same time i'll be doing the ls1 to ls6 PCV swap and I decided I'll be saying F*** California I want long tube headers! I'm not sure where is the best place to be picking up the parts im open to recommendations. Basically my goal is a good fun street car that I can tear up the track when autocrossing. Here is what I have so far

799 Heads $355 +rebuild and mild port +$640
LS6 cam ~$150 or maybe GT2-3 cam from Lingenfelter ~$390 or custom baby cam grind from sponsor
LS2 CLOYES Part # C3220 from rockauto ~$30
Morel 5290 link bar lifters from CoSpeed $340
Texas Speed deluxe head and cam bolt and gasket set ~$316
11/32 Push rods from Manton length?
Stock Rockers with trunion upgrade from BTR ~$120
Injectors stock...
LS6 / LS2 Engine Valley Cover Improved Racing ~$119
Valley cover plug and 10" of hose for conversion ~$10
Powerbond 25% underdrive ~$200 Texas speed? or used? +AC and accessory belt
TSP LT stainless headers and Catted Y Pipe $789.98 . Will catted y pipe hang lower than non catted? I have SLP y pipe and its clearance is OK but I don't want to go much lower.

Stall??? Since this is not really for drag racing but more for drivability and autocross I would like to get a 9 3/4" stall for less rotational mass but I would like to get it with all the stock features and close to stock stall speed. suggestions on this?

and of coarse a dyno tune once completed ~$600

total ~$3069.98+head rebuild+push rods+Lifters+tax and shipping

Please let me know if I am missing anything or if you have any input on my selected parts. Thanks

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I was going to do an LS6 cam like you but went a little bigger but keeping a stock idle/drivability and not worry about emissions. Look at your head springs while your in there. I did not see pushrods on your list - you will need those. My cam is on a stock stall and is fine, barely any push on the brakes but I will be going to a baby 2600 stall to keep it mild and stock manners, again that is my preference.

I would recommend going with a custom grind & little bigger around the 220/220 range to compliment the heads vs. LS6 cam. Yes, I lost about 40 miles per tankful of gas but way more fun to drive and my lead foot contributes to the lower around town MPG. I just went with an LS2 chain on stock block and used my stock injectors, as well as stock oil pump. Oil pump does not cost that much but I don't have any issues with my stock pump or pressure but the deluxe gasket kit w/bolt, double roller, etc., adds up $$. You can save some money with standard LS2 chain & gasket kit without sacrifice on a baby cam and upgrade your cam to a custom grind.

I'm glad I did a baby cam now that I am use to the performance. It was day and night from my LS1 cam but now it just seems stock to me as time has gone on. I'm sure I would have been disappointed with just the LS6 cam IMO.

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I was going to do an LS6 cam like you but went a little bigger but keeping a stock idle/drivability and not worry about emissions. Look at your head springs while your in there. I did not see pushrods on your list - you will need those. My cam is on a stock stall and is fine, barely any push on the brakes but I will be going to a baby 2600 stall to keep it mild and stock manners, again that is my preference.

I would recommend going with a custom grind & little bigger around the 220/220 range to compliment the heads vs. LS6 cam. Yes, I lost about 40 miles per tankful of gas but way more fun to drive and my lead foot contributes to the lower around town MPG. I just went with an LS2 chain on stock block and used my stock injectors, as well as stock oil pump. Oil pump does not cost that much but I don't have any issues with my stock pump or pressure but the deluxe gasket kit w/bolt, double roller, etc., adds up $$. You can save some money with standard LS2 chain & gasket kit without sacrifice on a baby cam and upgrade your cam to a custom grind.

I'm glad I did a baby cam now that I am use to the performance. It was day and night from my LS1 cam but now it just seems stock to me as time has gone on. I'm sure I would have been disappointed with just the LS6 cam IMO.
Hey thanks very much for your input BBATCAR! ok so well my goal is not to get that much power out of the engine, I feel I would like to go FI if I wanted some serious power, also in the small chance that I wouldn't be able to find a to smog my car I would like the option of slapping my old cali legal junk on just in case as a fail safe, with that being said I'd really like to stay with an LS6 cam. If I didn't live in this communist state with super high gas prices and smog ***** my choice might be different.

oh yes push rods, was thinking I might reuse my old ones... any recommendations brand? what size do I need for 243/799 heads? 7.4 good? some say maybe slightly shorter? I know if I get the lightweight valves I need 7.35

ok so stock injectors and I figured since I have an 02 it already has the LS6 oil pump so I should be good with that. Thanks!

As far as the timing chain you recommend just an LS2? Would it not be worth it to get double roller? everyone says double roller and I don't mind spending an extra 100 or 2 on something that won't slack on me and I like the idea of having a tensioner on it.
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lingenfelter GT2-3 cam would be the way to go if you want to maintain a very stock like build with a potential future in FI. 2400-2600 stall would be ideal, but my buddy uses the GT2-3 on a bone stock converter in his 04 GTO with no issues whatsoever. Do some research on the cam, its basically a beefed up LS6 cam. Don't see any need for a double roller chain, cloyes LS2 factory replacement chain kit that you can pick up on rockauto would be plenty. Unless your planning on a full race application, no reason for a double roller chain. I just had my 243 heads reconditioned for $320 at my local shop and that was including a broken exhaust manifold bolt removal. Had them install LS6 p/n 12499224 "blue" springs from scoggin dickey, and new valve stem seals, and heads are good as new. Although i'd recommend a heavier spring for anything over .550 lift, im only using a schneider stage 1 in my build.
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lingenfelter GT2-3 cam would be the way to go if you want to maintain a very stock like build with a potential future in FI. 2400-2600 stall would be ideal, but my buddy uses the GT2-3 on a bone stock converter in his 04 GTO with no issues whatsoever. Do some research on the cam, its basically a beefed up LS6 cam. Don't see any need for a double roller chain, cloyes LS2 factory replacement chain kit that you can pick up on rockauto would be plenty. Unless your planning on a full race application, no reason for a double roller chain. I just had my 243 heads reconditioned for $320 at my local shop and that was including a broken exhaust manifold bolt removal. Had them install LS6 p/n 12499224 "blue" springs from scoggin dickey, and new valve stem seals, and heads are good as new. Although i'd recommend a heavier spring for anything over .550 lift, im only using a schneider stage 1 in my build.
hmm looking up that cam makes me very tempted... haha do did he notice any fuel economy change normal driving? and thanks for the tip on the chain, I guess i'll just rock an LS2 chain, should I get new gears with it too?
So if I go eith the GT2-3 cam would those "blue" springs work best? I have a buddy that has an extra yellow springs that he would sell me for cheap.
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hmm looking up that cam makes me very tempted... haha do did he notice any fuel economy change normal driving? and thanks for the tip on the chain, I guess i'll just rock an LS2 chain, should I get new gears with it too?
So if I go eith the GT2-3 cam would those "blue" springs work best? I have a buddy that has an extra yellow springs that he would sell me for cheap.
I believe the LS2 chain kit comes with the gears. CLOYES Part # C3220 which is 30 dollars on rockauto shows a chain, and both sprockets. As far as the springs with the GT2-3, I wouldnt run the blues or yellows, i'd run what lingenfelter recommends for that particular cam as the lift is in the .570's and really takes advantage of the 243 heads or any future head work you may plan on doing. Ill double check with him what springs he has, I believe they are comp's. As far as gas mileage, his GTO actually does pretty good most of the time, between 18-20mpg cruising.
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comp 918's in his gto

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Damn that chain and gear set is cheap! interesting it doesn't say its for 97-2004 LS1 though, but I assume that's because its for the LS2? A lot of good words about those chains though!
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Damn that chain and gear set is cheap! interesting it doesn't say its for 97-2004 LS1 though, but I assume that's because its for the LS2? A lot of good words about those chains though!
Yeh not sure about the compatibility, it depends on your cam position sensor pickup style. That has a 1x reluctor on the cam gear for cam position sensors on the cover.
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Alright so I should have some extra cash by the end of summer and I really want to upgrade my stock 02 LS1 to LS6. I don't want to go crazy and hurt my drivability or fuel economy and I don't want to break the bank either. I basically want to do some 243 or 799 heads along with an LS6 cam. At the same time i'll be doing the ls1 to ls6 PCV swap and I decided I'll be saying F*** California I want long tube headers! I'm not sure where is the best place to be picking up the parts im open to recommendations. Basically my goal is a good fun street car that I can tear up the track when autocrossing. Here is what I have so far

243 or 799 heads ~$450 +valve job? yellow springs? used Ls1tech?
LS6 cam ~$150 used LS1tech? orr maybe GT2-3 cam from Lingenfelter ~$390
LS2 CLOYES Part # C3220 from rockauto ~$30
Lifters LS7? ~$140
GM LS2/LS3/LS7/L98 Lifter Tray Texas Speed ~$36
Texas Speed deluxe head and cam bolt and gasket set ~$316
Texas Speed Chromemoly 7.4 pushrods ~$110
Injectors stock...
LS6 / LS2 Engine Valley Cover Improved Racing ~$119
Valley cover plug and 10" of hose for conversion ~$10
Powerbond 25% underdrive ~$200 Texas speed? or used? +AC and accessory belt
Pacesetter long tube ceramic coated and pacesetter off road y pipe ~$500 (or catted?) I am concerned with ground clearance with these and I'm not sure which to go with, I like keeping the headers ceramic coated and pacesetter has some nice prices and it looks like their y pipe is fairly tucked up high. Will catted y pipe hang lower than non catted? I have SLP y pipe and its clearance is OK but I don't want to go much lower.

Stall??? Since this is not really for drag racing but more for drivability and autocross I would like to get a 9 3/4" stall for less rotational mass but I would like to get it with all the stock features and close to stock stall speed. suggestions on this?

and of coarse a dyno tune once completed ~$600

total ~$2721+tax and shipping

Please let me know if I am missing anything or if you have any input on my selected parts. Thanks
Before you go adding power make sure you really know your goals.
If you want to compete in auto-x adding power will NOT help, and usually only hurt your times as the car will just want to oversteer more. Engine mods will also bump you into an extremely tough class to compete in (like full on race car class).
I occasionally autox my car and sometimes regret adding power to it as it only made it more difficult to drive hard.
I would honestly suggesting doing suspension, brakes and tire first before adding any more power beyond bolt ons.
-Koni sa/strano springs and swaybars setup with a fays2 watts link, blank rotors and hawk hps pads, and some sticky tires, the car will be total monster in the corners.
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Before you go adding power make sure you really know your goals.
If you want to compete in auto-x adding power will NOT help, and usually only hurt your times as the car will just want to oversteer more. Engine mods will also bump you into an extremely tough class to compete in (like full on race car class).
I occasionally autox my car and sometimes regret adding power to it as it only made it more difficult to drive hard.
I would honestly suggesting doing suspension, brakes and tire first before adding any more power beyond bolt ons.
-Koni sa/strano springs and swaybars setup with a fays2 watts link, blank rotors and hawk hps pads, and some sticky tires, the car will be total monster in the corners.
one of the reasons why I am not wanting big power goals, but also I have lifter issue and if I'm tearing the heads off... mine as well. I already have a fairly stout suspension and brake setup and I don't want to drop some track tires on the car because I want my setup to be the same as the street. I do plan on getting a watts link, probably from MWC since Its a lot cheaper and seams like a more simple and lighter setup to accomplish the same thing.

Here is my suspension setup if you were interested.
UMI 2 point bolt on SFC
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I will be going to a baby 2600 stall to keep it mild and stock manners, again that is my preference.
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Hey thanks very much for your input BBATCAR! ok so well my goal is not to get that much power out of the engine, I feel I would like to go FI if I wanted some serious power, also in the small chance that I wouldn't be able to find a to smog my car I would like the option of slapping my old cali legal junk on just in case as a fail safe, with that being said I'd really like to stay with an LS6 cam. If I didn't live in this communist state with super high gas prices and smog ***** my choice might be different.

oh yes push rods, was thinking I might reuse my old ones... any recommendations brand? what size do I need for 243/799 heads? 7.4 good? some say maybe slightly shorter? I know if I get the lightweight valves I need 7.35

ok so stock injectors and I figured since I have an 02 it already has the LS6 oil pump so I should be good with that. Thanks!

As far as the timing chain you recommend just an LS2? Would it not be worth it to get double roller? everyone says double roller and I don't mind spending an extra 100 or 2 on something that won't slack on me and I like the idea of having a tensioner on it.
Like others have stated you need to know what your goals are. You will get more power throughout the power band but it will not be "the most power " you can get. I may have misunderstood your goals.

Mine goal was some more power, pass smog without hassle and keep "stock" drivability. I was able to do so with CNC 799 heads and 221/221 cam. I pass smog all the time - if you go over a 224/224 cam then you start to chance passing but a good tuner may take care of that. I did not want to hassle the headers so I'm on stock manifolds. You are looking at 15 HP vs. 30 HP when you compare the LS6 cam to an aftermarket one. Just food for thought if you are going to spend your money on Heads/Cam. GT2-3 is a good choice as well.

Any set of harden push rods will do and is a must versus stock pushrods - they do not cost much - mine are 7.4. If you had a huge cam then maybe a double roller but LS6 or baby cam works well with just an LS2 chain which is an upgrade to the LS1. I did heads/cam, pushrods, chain and gaskets. Car runs great and is very reliable. Although you can use a stock stall, a 2600 stall would be optimal. It's a blast to drive. Hope that helps.

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Old May 25, 2015 | 08:33 PM
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I had a fays2 watts link in my Camaro. Got it back when it first came out. Made a day and night difference in the car. The rear end felt like it was glued to the road.

I'd second going for suspension mods first. Especially if you have a set budget and emissions to worry about. One thing goes wrong and you are going to be hitting up your bank account big time. Many times you can't even use all the power you have unless you live in a rural area.
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Like others have stated you need to know what your goals are. You will get more power throughout the power band but it will not be "the most power " you can get. I may have misunderstood your goals.

Mine goal was some more power, pass smog without hassle and keep "stock" drivability. I was able to do so with CNC 799 heads and 221/221 cam. I pass smog all the time - if you go over a 224/224 cam then you start to chance passing but a good tuner may take care of that. I did not want to hassle the headers so I'm on stock manifolds. You are looking at 15 HP vs. 30 HP when you compare the LS6 cam to an aftermarket one. Just food for thought if you are going to spend your money on Heads/Cam. GT2-3 is a good choice as well.

Any set of harden push rods will do and is a must versus stock pushrods - they do not cost much - mine are 7.4. If you had a huge cam then maybe a double roller but LS6 or baby cam works well with just an LS2 chain which is an upgrade to the LS1. I did heads/cam, pushrods, chain and gaskets. Car runs great and is very reliable. Although you can use a stock stall, a 2600 stall would be optimal. It's a blast to drive. Hope that helps.
I'm looking for a good bump in performance without really sacrificing fuel economy, drivability, or autocross performance. With that being said I would be happy with the performance of the LS6 cam but if the only really drawbacks of the GT2-3 cam is cost but an additional 15-30hp it may be worth it to me. I guess a big plus for me is valvetrain efficiency which is why the roller timing chain appeals to me and so does the trunnion upgrade kit.


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I had a fays2 watts link in my Camaro. Got it back when it first came out. Made a day and night difference in the car. The rear end felt like it was glued to the road.

I'd second going for suspension mods first. Especially if you have a set budget and emissions to worry about. One thing goes wrong and you are going to be hitting up your bank account big time. Many times you can't even use all the power you have unless you live in a rural area.
I'm looking forward to getting my watts link but I have a lifter noise I want to fix and I would also like some more power. I don't really have a set budget but the more expensive it is the longer I have to wait to save the money. As far as emissions... I'll worry about that once the time comes, I don't plan on staying here in cali forever.
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Old May 27, 2015 | 01:10 AM
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Alright so I should have some extra cash by the end of summer and I really want to upgrade my stock 02 LS1 to LS6. I don't want to go crazy and hurt my drivability or fuel economy and I don't want to break the bank either. I basically want to do some 243 or 799 heads along with an LS6 cam. At the same time i'll be doing the ls1 to ls6 PCV swap and I decided I'll be saying F*** California I want long tube headers! I'm not sure where is the best place to be picking up the parts im open to recommendations. Basically my goal is a good fun street car that I can tear up the track when autocrossing. Here is what I have so far

243 or 799 heads ~$450 +valve job? yellow springs? used Ls1tech?
LS6 cam ~$150 used LS1tech? orr maybe GT2-3 cam from Lingenfelter ~$390
LS2 CLOYES Part # C3220 from rockauto ~$30
Lifters LS7? ~$140
GM LS2/LS3/LS7/L98 Lifter Tray Texas Speed ~$36
Texas Speed deluxe head and cam bolt and gasket set ~$316
Texas Speed Chromemoly 7.4 pushrods ~$110
Injectors stock...
LS6 / LS2 Engine Valley Cover Improved Racing ~$119
Valley cover plug and 10" of hose for conversion ~$10
Powerbond 25% underdrive ~$200 Texas speed? or used? +AC and accessory belt
Pacesetter long tube ceramic coated and pacesetter off road y pipe ~$500 (or catted?) I am concerned with ground clearance with these and I'm not sure which to go with, I like keeping the headers ceramic coated and pacesetter has some nice prices and it looks like their y pipe is fairly tucked up high. Will catted y pipe hang lower than non catted? I have SLP y pipe and its clearance is OK but I don't want to go much lower.

Stall??? Since this is not really for drag racing but more for drivability and autocross I would like to get a 9 3/4" stall for less rotational mass but I would like to get it with all the stock features and close to stock stall speed. suggestions on this?

and of coarse a dyno tune once completed ~$600

total ~$2721+tax and shipping

Please let me know if I am missing anything or if you have any input on my selected parts. Thanks
I don't think its wort the time or money to just go to a LS6 cam. Comp makes a good 580 cam or look atvBrian Tooley Racing. He makes a stage 2 can that you may like.
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I don't think its wort the time or money to just go to a LS6 cam. Comp makes a good 580 cam or look atvBrian Tooley Racing. He makes a stage 2 can that you may like.
why do you say that? it can be found for $150 used and its a decent bump over the ls1 cam without sacrificing much fuel economy or drivability.
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It was day and night from my LS1 cam but now it just seems stock to me as time has gone on.
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It was day and night from my LS1 cam but now it just seems stock to me as time has gone on.
thank you? did it feel like power throughout the power band? did you notice a fuel economy change? and how about the exhaust note?
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thank you? did it feel like power throughout the power band? did you notice a fuel economy change? and how about the exhaust note?
There is some minor MPG impact but nothing that bad and the exhaust note changed very slightly, and that is with an aftermarket cam (Barely any hint of a cam). Power throughout the power band - low to high - performs well.

If you are dead set on LS6 cam you are really going from a stock cam to stock cam, and yes, there will be some increase in power but not as much as an aftermarket spec'd cam.

My only point by saying it was a "day and night difference" is that the power pulled hard from low to high without sacrificing drivability and surprised everyone who rode in my car prior to the cam.

My statement about "getting use to the aftermarket cam and it then feeling stock after a while" points to why I'm glad I did not go with an LS6 cam. After a few months of driving the car - it does not seem that I have a cam in the car - just a faster car, LOL.

I was like you and was going to go with an LS6 cam but I learned that properly spec'd by one of the vendors, you will get more power than an LS6 cam and keep great drivability without going over the top with power. My cam is so "stealthy" no one even knows I have a cam in the car. It drives like stock and now that I am use to it, I'm really glad I went slightly bigger compared to an LS6 cam. This is all on a stock stall.

LS6 cam is good up top (highway speeds) but I wanted some power throughout (low to high). Call some vendors and give them your goals and they will make recommendations on what cam or grind to get. Martin @ Tick was a great resource for me. It is your car and you need to do what works best for you. I would at least research before going with an LS6 cam, especially if you are going spend on heads.
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By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:06:42


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6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

Slideshow: From wobbling harmonic balancers to failed EBCMs, these are the issues that define long-term C5 ownership and what repairs typically involve.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-07 18:44:57


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Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

Slideshow: A modern Camaro transformed into a retro icon, this limited-run "Bandit" build blends nostalgia with brute force in a way few revivals manage.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:57:02


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Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

Slideshow: Cadillac didn't just crash the high-performance luxury vehicle party, it showed up loud, supercharged, and occasionally a little unhinged...

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-16 10:05:15


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Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

Slideshow: Top ten most powerful Chevy trucks ever made

By | 2026-03-25 09:22:26


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Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

Slideshow: Hennessey has turned the Silverado ZR2 into a 700-hp off-road monster with supercharged V8 power and a limited production run.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-24 18:57:52


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Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

Slideshow: A one-off sports car that looks like a vintage Italian exotic-but hides a C6 Corvette underneath-just sold for the price of a new mid-engine Corvette.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-23 18:53:41


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Awesome K5 Blazer Restomod Comes With C7 Corvette Power

Slideshow: A heavily reworked 1972 K5 Blazer swaps its off-road roots for a low-slung street-focused build with modern V8 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-09 18:08:45


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10 Camaros You Should Never Buy

Slideshow: There are thousands of used Camaros on the market but we think you should avoid these 10

By | 2026-02-17 17:09:30


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10 LS Engine Myths That Refuse to Die

Slideshows: Which one of these myths do you believe?

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-01-28 18:10:11


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