critique my ls1 to ls6 conversion and upgrades
799 Heads $355 +rebuild and mild port +$640
LS6 cam ~$150 or maybe GT2-3 cam from Lingenfelter ~$390 or custom baby cam grind from sponsor
LS2 CLOYES Part # C3220 from rockauto ~$30
Morel 5290 link bar lifters from CoSpeed $340
Texas Speed deluxe head and cam bolt and gasket set ~$316
11/32 Push rods from Manton length?
Stock Rockers with trunion upgrade from BTR ~$120
Injectors stock...
LS6 / LS2 Engine Valley Cover Improved Racing ~$119
Valley cover plug and 10" of hose for conversion ~$10
Powerbond 25% underdrive ~$200 Texas speed? or used? +AC and accessory belt
TSP LT stainless headers and Catted Y Pipe $789.98 . Will catted y pipe hang lower than non catted? I have SLP y pipe and its clearance is OK but I don't want to go much lower.
Stall??? Since this is not really for drag racing but more for drivability and autocross I would like to get a 9 3/4" stall for less rotational mass but I would like to get it with all the stock features and close to stock stall speed. suggestions on this?
and of coarse a dyno tune once completed ~$600
total ~$3069.98+head rebuild+push rods+Lifters+tax and shipping
Please let me know if I am missing anything or if you have any input on my selected parts. Thanks
Last edited by Cpt.Derrek; Nov 24, 2015 at 05:20 PM.
I would recommend going with a custom grind & little bigger around the 220/220 range to compliment the heads vs. LS6 cam. Yes, I lost about 40 miles per tankful of gas but way more fun to drive and my lead foot contributes to the lower around town MPG. I just went with an LS2 chain on stock block and used my stock injectors, as well as stock oil pump. Oil pump does not cost that much but I don't have any issues with my stock pump or pressure but the deluxe gasket kit w/bolt, double roller, etc., adds up $$. You can save some money with standard LS2 chain & gasket kit without sacrifice on a baby cam and upgrade your cam to a custom grind.
I'm glad I did a baby cam now that I am use to the performance. It was day and night from my LS1 cam but now it just seems stock to me as time has gone on. I'm sure I would have been disappointed with just the LS6 cam IMO.
Last edited by BBATCAR; May 22, 2015 at 10:05 PM.
I would recommend going with a custom grind & little bigger around the 220/220 range to compliment the heads vs. LS6 cam. Yes, I lost about 40 miles per tankful of gas but way more fun to drive and my lead foot contributes to the lower around town MPG. I just went with an LS2 chain on stock block and used my stock injectors, as well as stock oil pump. Oil pump does not cost that much but I don't have any issues with my stock pump or pressure but the deluxe gasket kit w/bolt, double roller, etc., adds up $$. You can save some money with standard LS2 chain & gasket kit without sacrifice on a baby cam and upgrade your cam to a custom grind.
I'm glad I did a baby cam now that I am use to the performance. It was day and night from my LS1 cam but now it just seems stock to me as time has gone on. I'm sure I would have been disappointed with just the LS6 cam IMO.
oh yes push rods, was thinking I might reuse my old ones... any recommendations brand? what size do I need for 243/799 heads? 7.4 good? some say maybe slightly shorter? I know if I get the lightweight valves I need 7.35
ok so stock injectors and I figured since I have an 02 it already has the LS6 oil pump so I should be good with that. Thanks!
As far as the timing chain you recommend just an LS2? Would it not be worth it to get double roller? everyone says double roller and I don't mind spending an extra 100 or 2 on something that won't slack on me and I like the idea of having a tensioner on it.
So if I go eith the GT2-3 cam would those "blue" springs work best? I have a buddy that has an extra yellow springs that he would sell me for cheap.
So if I go eith the GT2-3 cam would those "blue" springs work best? I have a buddy that has an extra yellow springs that he would sell me for cheap.
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243 or 799 heads ~$450 +valve job? yellow springs? used Ls1tech?
LS6 cam ~$150 used LS1tech? orr maybe GT2-3 cam from Lingenfelter ~$390
LS2 CLOYES Part # C3220 from rockauto ~$30
Lifters LS7? ~$140
GM LS2/LS3/LS7/L98 Lifter Tray Texas Speed ~$36
Texas Speed deluxe head and cam bolt and gasket set ~$316
Texas Speed Chromemoly 7.4 pushrods ~$110
Injectors stock...
LS6 / LS2 Engine Valley Cover Improved Racing ~$119
Valley cover plug and 10" of hose for conversion ~$10
Powerbond 25% underdrive ~$200 Texas speed? or used? +AC and accessory belt
Pacesetter long tube ceramic coated and pacesetter off road y pipe ~$500 (or catted?) I am concerned with ground clearance with these and I'm not sure which to go with, I like keeping the headers ceramic coated and pacesetter has some nice prices and it looks like their y pipe is fairly tucked up high. Will catted y pipe hang lower than non catted? I have SLP y pipe and its clearance is OK but I don't want to go much lower.
Stall??? Since this is not really for drag racing but more for drivability and autocross I would like to get a 9 3/4" stall for less rotational mass but I would like to get it with all the stock features and close to stock stall speed. suggestions on this?
and of coarse a dyno tune once completed ~$600
total ~$2721+tax and shipping
Please let me know if I am missing anything or if you have any input on my selected parts. Thanks
If you want to compete in auto-x adding power will NOT help, and usually only hurt your times as the car will just want to oversteer more. Engine mods will also bump you into an extremely tough class to compete in (like full on race car class).
I occasionally autox my car and sometimes regret adding power to it as it only made it more difficult to drive hard.
I would honestly suggesting doing suspension, brakes and tire first before adding any more power beyond bolt ons.
-Koni sa/strano springs and swaybars setup with a fays2 watts link, blank rotors and hawk hps pads, and some sticky tires, the car will be total monster in the corners.
If you want to compete in auto-x adding power will NOT help, and usually only hurt your times as the car will just want to oversteer more. Engine mods will also bump you into an extremely tough class to compete in (like full on race car class).
I occasionally autox my car and sometimes regret adding power to it as it only made it more difficult to drive hard.
I would honestly suggesting doing suspension, brakes and tire first before adding any more power beyond bolt ons.
-Koni sa/strano springs and swaybars setup with a fays2 watts link, blank rotors and hawk hps pads, and some sticky tires, the car will be total monster in the corners.
Here is my suspension setup if you were interested.
UMI 2 point bolt on SFC
UMI Adjustable Torque arm
Founders 3 piece on car adjustable lower control arms
Founders rod end adjustable PHB
Founders lower control arm relocation braket
SLP Bilstein Shocks
Eibach Prokit Springs
New Moog upper and lower ball joints
Powerstop drilled and slotted Rotors with powerstop extreme pads
Russell Braded steel brake lines
Nitto NT555 Extreme tires 275/40-17 front 275/35-18 rear
Also have my battery relocated to the spare tire location
oh yes push rods, was thinking I might reuse my old ones... any recommendations brand? what size do I need for 243/799 heads? 7.4 good? some say maybe slightly shorter? I know if I get the lightweight valves I need 7.35
ok so stock injectors and I figured since I have an 02 it already has the LS6 oil pump so I should be good with that. Thanks!
As far as the timing chain you recommend just an LS2? Would it not be worth it to get double roller? everyone says double roller and I don't mind spending an extra 100 or 2 on something that won't slack on me and I like the idea of having a tensioner on it.
Mine goal was some more power, pass smog without hassle and keep "stock" drivability. I was able to do so with CNC 799 heads and 221/221 cam. I pass smog all the time - if you go over a 224/224 cam then you start to chance passing but a good tuner may take care of that. I did not want to hassle the headers so I'm on stock manifolds. You are looking at 15 HP vs. 30 HP when you compare the LS6 cam to an aftermarket one. Just food for thought if you are going to spend your money on Heads/Cam. GT2-3 is a good choice as well.
Any set of harden push rods will do and is a must versus stock pushrods - they do not cost much - mine are 7.4. If you had a huge cam then maybe a double roller but LS6 or baby cam works well with just an LS2 chain which is an upgrade to the LS1. I did heads/cam, pushrods, chain and gaskets. Car runs great and is very reliable. Although you can use a stock stall, a 2600 stall would be optimal. It's a blast to drive. Hope that helps.
Last edited by BBATCAR; May 25, 2015 at 07:19 PM.
I'd second going for suspension mods first. Especially if you have a set budget and emissions to worry about. One thing goes wrong and you are going to be hitting up your bank account big time. Many times you can't even use all the power you have unless you live in a rural area.
Mine goal was some more power, pass smog without hassle and keep "stock" drivability. I was able to do so with CNC 799 heads and 221/221 cam. I pass smog all the time - if you go over a 224/224 cam then you start to chance passing but a good tuner may take care of that. I did not want to hassle the headers so I'm on stock manifolds. You are looking at 15 HP vs. 30 HP when you compare the LS6 cam to an aftermarket one. Just food for thought if you are going to spend your money on Heads/Cam. GT2-3 is a good choice as well.
Any set of harden push rods will do and is a must versus stock pushrods - they do not cost much - mine are 7.4. If you had a huge cam then maybe a double roller but LS6 or baby cam works well with just an LS2 chain which is an upgrade to the LS1. I did heads/cam, pushrods, chain and gaskets. Car runs great and is very reliable. Although you can use a stock stall, a 2600 stall would be optimal. It's a blast to drive. Hope that helps.
I'd second going for suspension mods first. Especially if you have a set budget and emissions to worry about. One thing goes wrong and you are going to be hitting up your bank account big time. Many times you can't even use all the power you have unless you live in a rural area.
243 or 799 heads ~$450 +valve job? yellow springs? used Ls1tech?
LS6 cam ~$150 used LS1tech? orr maybe GT2-3 cam from Lingenfelter ~$390
LS2 CLOYES Part # C3220 from rockauto ~$30
Lifters LS7? ~$140
GM LS2/LS3/LS7/L98 Lifter Tray Texas Speed ~$36
Texas Speed deluxe head and cam bolt and gasket set ~$316
Texas Speed Chromemoly 7.4 pushrods ~$110
Injectors stock...
LS6 / LS2 Engine Valley Cover Improved Racing ~$119
Valley cover plug and 10" of hose for conversion ~$10
Powerbond 25% underdrive ~$200 Texas speed? or used? +AC and accessory belt
Pacesetter long tube ceramic coated and pacesetter off road y pipe ~$500 (or catted?) I am concerned with ground clearance with these and I'm not sure which to go with, I like keeping the headers ceramic coated and pacesetter has some nice prices and it looks like their y pipe is fairly tucked up high. Will catted y pipe hang lower than non catted? I have SLP y pipe and its clearance is OK but I don't want to go much lower.
Stall??? Since this is not really for drag racing but more for drivability and autocross I would like to get a 9 3/4" stall for less rotational mass but I would like to get it with all the stock features and close to stock stall speed. suggestions on this?
and of coarse a dyno tune once completed ~$600
total ~$2721+tax and shipping
Please let me know if I am missing anything or if you have any input on my selected parts. Thanks
If you are dead set on LS6 cam you are really going from a stock cam to stock cam, and yes, there will be some increase in power but not as much as an aftermarket spec'd cam.
My only point by saying it was a "day and night difference" is that the power pulled hard from low to high without sacrificing drivability and surprised everyone who rode in my car prior to the cam.
My statement about "getting use to the aftermarket cam and it then feeling stock after a while" points to why I'm glad I did not go with an LS6 cam. After a few months of driving the car - it does not seem that I have a cam in the car - just a faster car, LOL.
I was like you and was going to go with an LS6 cam but I learned that properly spec'd by one of the vendors, you will get more power than an LS6 cam and keep great drivability without going over the top with power. My cam is so "stealthy" no one even knows I have a cam in the car. It drives like stock and now that I am use to it, I'm really glad I went slightly bigger compared to an LS6 cam. This is all on a stock stall.
LS6 cam is good up top (highway speeds) but I wanted some power throughout (low to high). Call some vendors and give them your goals and they will make recommendations on what cam or grind to get. Martin @ Tick was a great resource for me. It is your car and you need to do what works best for you. I would at least research before going with an LS6 cam, especially if you are going spend on heads.

