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Old 02-12-2019, 10:47 AM
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Unfortunately, no. Gotta love California. Wish we could continue selling. Its obviously a large loss for us considering we live here. EPA does not allow the sale of any smog related performance products any more unless they have a CARB approval. They are cracking down left and right. Jegs got hit with a 1.7 million dollar fine. I know Roush got hit with a fine, as well as several others. Between those, the new muffler law, and prop 64, its insane how far they have gone. Shoot the cows around here pollute more than guys who enjoy working/building their cars ever have. Makes no sense. The thing that really blows my mind is guys with say older Chevelles, Novas, C10 trucks that currently have the older SBC or BBC engines, which obviously pollute way more than any LS are required to retain the original cats, EVAP systems, etc when doing an LS swap. The referee is required to sign off on the swap. How crazy is that. That's basically saying hey I am going to put a more efficient better for the environment engine in my car. Can I do that? Nope, not unless you jump through all of our requirements. Pay the required fees, and oh ya you have to keep the cats and evap, which no junk yard will even sell you now days because of the smog laws. Sorry, for my rant its a sore subject lol.
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Best thing a business can do is move out of California before they find a way to regulate and tax you out of business.
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Originally Posted by Speed Engineering View Post
Unfortunately, no. Gotta love California. Wish we could continue selling. Its obviously a large loss for us considering we live here. EPA does not allow the sale of any smog related performance products any more unless they have a CARB approval. They are cracking down left and right. Jegs got hit with a 1.7 million dollar fine. I know Roush got hit with a fine, as well as several others. Between those, the new muffler law, and prop 64, its insane how far they have gone. Shoot the cows around here pollute more than guys who enjoy working/building their cars ever have. Makes no sense. The thing that really blows my mind is guys with say older Chevelles, Novas, C10 trucks that currently have the older SBC or BBC engines, which obviously pollute way more than any LS are required to retain the original cats, EVAP systems, etc when doing an LS swap. The referee is required to sign off on the swap. How crazy is that. That's basically saying hey I am going to put a more efficient better for the environment engine in my car. Can I do that? Nope, not unless you jump through all of our requirements. Pay the required fees, and oh ya you have to keep the cats and evap, which no junk yard will even sell you now days because of the smog laws. Sorry, for my rant its a sore subject lol.
That really sucks. Back in the day NY decided that all cars had to be smog tested on a dyno, there was no way to cheat through it. Nowadays they just plug into the OBD and do a scan. No codes, no issues. As long as a shop knows you they usually wont even look at anything on the car, something I'm grateful for. I just pull up to the bay, plug in and I'm done and gone in 5 minutes.

When we were being smog tested I would bolt the factory h-pipe back on my mustang. Equal length shorty headers were pretty good and kept the factory mounting position. Test the car and then swap my off-road one back on. I don't understand why CA cant just rely on emission testing. If a car is within spec who gives a **** what is done to it.

It would be a MAJOR PITA to have to swap headers and a full exhaust every year.

My brother-in-law got pulled over in his 68 Camaro by a dumb F cop who said he knew he wasnt running catalytic converters because of the sound. Had to explain to the rookie what smog exempt was, lol. But by and large cops don't mess with exhaust issues. If they did there would be a lot less loud as F trucks and ricers running around. They are even pretty lenient with cars leaving cars and coffee showing off by romping through a couple of gears, but we dont do burnouts and the occasional guy who does is labeled a fng idiot so usually doesn't again.
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Old 02-12-2019, 02:36 PM
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Cars older than 1975 are not tested in California, so nobody would know if it was swapped, LS or otherwise.
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The majority of people in Cali are fucked
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Old 02-12-2019, 04:11 PM
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The majority of people in Cali are fucked
If you put a nasty cam, long tubes, or a non-authorized turbo setup into a 1975 or later car, yeah. But there are many other things you can do that will go under the radar.
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Lol around my parts even a cat back on a newer car bone stock everything else will get you a state ref now, ask me how I know. Gotta love Bay Area cops.
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Lol around my parts even a cat back on a newer car bone stock everything else will get you a state ref now, ask me how I know. Gotta love Bay Area cops.
Shows what dweebs some cops are. They usually don't know jack about cars so think the whole exhaust is emission related. The more knowledgeable cops would leave you alone unless it's too loud.
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Originally Posted by G Atsma View Post
The more knowledgeable cops would leave you alone unless it's too loud.
That's the way it is around here, the officers that car guys are pretty cool. Deputy pulled me over for expired registration/inspection, we shot the **** for a minute, got a warning and he said do whatever you gotta do to get a sticker...LMFAO
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Old 02-13-2019, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by G Atsma View Post
Cars older than 1975 are not tested in California, so nobody would know if it was swapped, LS or otherwise.
That is true, but that is only maybe half our swap guys. We sell headers for C10 square body's, 3rd Gen F-Body's, S10's, Fox Body Mustang, and 88-98 Silverado/Sierra. Every one of these vehicles would see better emissions with an LS swap. Don't get me wrong I have two children, and have always been pro clean air/better living etc. I just think they are barking up the wrong tree. Meanwhile, its unfortunate that your average car guy cannot wrench on his car now days. Its a passion that a lot of people really enjoy.
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Originally Posted by Speed Engineering View Post
That is true, but that is only maybe half our swap guys. We sell headers for C10 square body's, 3rd Gen F-Body's, S10's, Fox Body Mustang, and 88-98 Silverado/Sierra. Every one of these vehicles would see better emissions with an LS swap. Don't get me wrong I have two children, and have always been pro clean air/better living etc. I just think they are barking up the wrong tree. Meanwhile, its unfortunate that your average car guy cannot wrench on his car now days. Its a passion that a lot of people really enjoy.
The aftermarket is relatively small as well when compared to the number of cars on the road. Even among enthusiasts... how many Camaro, Mustang, or Challenger owners really mod their cars more than just a catback or air intake and rims? It's regulation to solve a nonexistent problem. Going after the manufacturers to build cleaner cars does make a difference when they sell 10 million cars a year. Going after a shadetree mechanic doesn't.
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Originally Posted by Speed Engineering View Post
That is true, but that is only maybe half our swap guys. We sell headers for C10 square body's, 3rd Gen F-Body's, S10's, Fox Body Mustang, and 88-98 Silverado/Sierra. Every one of these vehicles would see better emissions with an LS swap. Don't get me wrong I have two children, and have always been pro clean air/better living etc. I just think they are barking up the wrong tree. Meanwhile, its unfortunate that your average car guy cannot wrench on his car now days. Its a passion that a lot of people really enjoy.
I TOTALLY sympathize with you here! I think that on a pre-OBDII car, test it sniffer-only. If it's clean enough, renew the registration, pay the bill and go home! Even with no converter, nasty cam (though these usually will NOT pass, lol). Bottom line, it's clean or it isn't. In an 80's car that would normally require a converter, an LS running without one would doubtless be clean enough. But our gov't goons don't see it that way, unfortunately.
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