Granatelli Plug wires over 15 rwhp gain??
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As I stated in the past - how wires don't ware out. That is why we private brand the wires for so many NHRA and NASCAR teams. After Daytona our wires ohm'd out identical to before .011 ohms at 18 inches
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As business is slow and other bills take precedence, I don't know when I'd be able to do a dyno test of my own.
What I'm taking away from all this is the GMS wires will show some power improvement over stock or high resistance wires. In the case of my high mileage bolt on only stocker, perhaps just 4-6 horsepower. If I had other aftermarket lower than stock resistance wires, there would be no gain swapping to the GMS wires.
I'm gonna do the install this weekend-along with those WeaponX spark plugs.
What I'm taking away from all this is the GMS wires will show some power improvement over stock or high resistance wires. In the case of my high mileage bolt on only stocker, perhaps just 4-6 horsepower. If I had other aftermarket lower than stock resistance wires, there would be no gain swapping to the GMS wires.
I'm gonna do the install this weekend-along with those WeaponX spark plugs.
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going from 800ohms to 0ohms you will have gains
going from 400ohms to 0ohms you will have gains
going from 30ohms to 0ohms you will have minimal gains probably unable to see gains on a chassis dyno, better on an engine dyno, gains would be idle control, AFR's and possibly 0.5-1HP increase.
Also dont forget these wires have a patent on EMI/RFI interferance which many many other wires do not have not sure hwo that helps as i haven't read enough about it, but it sounds good to me...lol
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You might be able to turn a faster ET, but the improvement would be so miniscule that it would get swallowed up by other variables like a few ft in DA or track prep. They don't seem to provide a substantive improvement anywhere performance wise. Talking about a mild N/A F-body.
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Well, there's one.
Who else? Yay or nay?
I'm not out to "prove" anything just hoping someone does, this isn't my fight as I'm not doing the testing.
I just couldn't help see the irony of someone calling people who have some first hand experience with myths surrounding ignition related HP gains ignorant because he/she would rather believe some marketing gimicks.
Who else? Yay or nay?
I'm not out to "prove" anything just hoping someone does, this isn't my fight as I'm not doing the testing.
I just couldn't help see the irony of someone calling people who have some first hand experience with myths surrounding ignition related HP gains ignorant because he/she would rather believe some marketing gimicks.
What I'm taking away from all this is the GMS wires will show some power improvement over stock or high resistance wires. In the case of my high mileage bolt on only stocker, perhaps just 4-6 horsepower. If I had other aftermarket lower than stock resistance wires, there would be no gain swapping to the GMS wires.
Those independent results that you are rolling your eyes at are from someone who bashed me for posting my opinion on the wires that netted damn near the same results several years ago. Times have changed but you're still the same. I may come off as a brash, name calling, big mouthed SOB and so be it. I myself as others got the same ill regarded type posts from you over the past several years when we posted up our results not panning out to the advertised claims. As always you simply roll your eyes and reference either your own results, or magazine articles that you are a PAYING advertiser in. If you have had so many positive dyno improvements from your wires, why haven't those people stepped up to post their results in this thread on this forum, one of the best LS based forums on the net? It's funny, you already changed your advertisement wording for the wires yet you still fall back on the same claims. IF the results you originally stated were true, why did you change your wordage? "1 test vs many" my ***. More like all the tests but my own do not reflect said experiences.
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As business is slow and other bills take precedence, I don't know when I'd be able to do a dyno test of my own.
What I'm taking away from all this is the GMS wires will show some power improvement over stock or high resistance wires. In the case of my high mileage bolt on only stocker, perhaps just 4-6 horsepower. If I had other aftermarket lower than stock resistance wires, there would be no gain swapping to the GMS wires.
I'm gonna do the install this weekend-along with those WeaponX spark plugs.
What I'm taking away from all this is the GMS wires will show some power improvement over stock or high resistance wires. In the case of my high mileage bolt on only stocker, perhaps just 4-6 horsepower. If I had other aftermarket lower than stock resistance wires, there would be no gain swapping to the GMS wires.
I'm gonna do the install this weekend-along with those WeaponX spark plugs.
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Agreed. As stated before, the wires may be of the best quality, but the power gains that "were" claimed (I'll get back to that in a minute) just haven't been seen in the real world....yet. If they perform well, have a warranty, and look nice...more power to you but in the ever searching quest for more power, wires are one of the last places to look for 99.9% of all consumers. I'm sorry to see the results thus far haven't panned out, but look at the length of wire you're running to begin with. Now back to the "were" portion I mentioned. I see at least that JR had enough dignity to do away with the his originally stated add on his website of "Adds up to 15HP (normally aspirated) & 35HP (s/c, turbo, & nitrous)". Now it reads, "Customers have reported up to 15HP (normally aspirated) & 35HP (s/c, turbo, & nitrous). Average gains on an otherwise stock motor are 5hp N/A and 12 to 15 with factory forced induction". It's a step in the right direction at least to restoring some credibility with his advertisements, though those customers he mentions have yet to step forward on one of the internet's foremost LS based forums and claim them. Makes you wonder sometimes huh.
These wires have repeated time in and time again. What we have so far is one person saying the wires worked but did not give a gain over a 30 ohm MSD.
Granatelli himself made it a point to show how is wires are superior because they are "solid core wires" in this thread, and that because of this they would outperform competitors spiral wound offerings. That's why they cost so much, because he can't make his wire cheap enough to compete on that level, hence the below quote. I'm still trying to figure out what exact level he was referencing his wires to be on though. .
I myself as others got the same ill regarded type posts from you over the past several years when we posted up our results not panning out to the advertised claims. As always you simply roll your eyes and reference either your own results, or magazine articles that you are a PAYING advertiser in. .
It's funny, you already changed your advertisement wording for the wires yet you still fall back on the same claims. IF the results you originally stated were true, why did you change your wordage? "1 test vs. many" my ***. More like all the tests but my own do not reflect said experiences.
That's how I feel every time I see someone buy a product, regardless of who it's from, expecting to see the claimed gains or close to them, only to see no/negative gains.
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Maybe I could ask the moderator to pull your posts as being combative – oh but wait…I am not an advertisers here either. Just another guy trying to add to the melting pot we call LS1TECH
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I think alot of people are missing the point that stock wires were the original comparison in the magazine and in the video. A stock wire that has 400-800ohms of resistence compared to 0 ohms.
Comparing 30ohm wires to 0 ohm wires is like comparing ET's of a 550HP Mustang with a 580HP Camaro **** all difference to notice any difference in ET's.
Comparing 30ohm wires to 0 ohm wires is like comparing ET's of a 550HP Mustang with a 580HP Camaro **** all difference to notice any difference in ET's.
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battlesausage, which would you agree with (pick just one without any extra wordy stuff):
1: Granitellei zero Ohm ignition wires DO show improvement compared to stock ignition wires?
2: Granitellei zero Ohm ignition wires DO NOT show improvement compared to stock ignition wires?
1: Granitellei zero Ohm ignition wires DO show improvement compared to stock ignition wires?
2: Granitellei zero Ohm ignition wires DO NOT show improvement compared to stock ignition wires?
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battlesausage, which would you agree with (pick just one without any extra wordy stuff):
1: Granitellei zero Ohm ignition wires ARE BETTER in fit, finish, quality and warranty then ignition wires from MSD, Taylor, Accel, etc?
2: Granitellei zero Ohm ignition wires ARE NOT BETTER in fit, finish, quality and warranty then ignition wires from MSD, Taylor, Accel, etc?
1: Granitellei zero Ohm ignition wires ARE BETTER in fit, finish, quality and warranty then ignition wires from MSD, Taylor, Accel, etc?
2: Granitellei zero Ohm ignition wires ARE NOT BETTER in fit, finish, quality and warranty then ignition wires from MSD, Taylor, Accel, etc?
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That, combined with the lack of impartial evidence to support the claims, is the basis of my skepticism.
Or we can do some comparisons as such and let me ask everyone to chime in:
if stock (400-800 ohms) to MSD (~30 ohms) wires net no noticeable/measurable gains in HP, MPG, idle, a/f ratio, etc (
if MSD (30 ohms) to Gran. (0 ohms) net no measurable gains
So what argument comes into play that stock to Gran. would suddenly produce any sort of significant gains not found in the previous comparisons? If no one had TOLD you to expect gains, would you?
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As stated before, I look forward to more of these independent tests, because out of fairness 1 pull is no more proof at disproving the claims than 1 pull was at proving the claims. I do respect that it was done in an effort to eliminate variables though.