Shaner throttle body overrated
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Shaner throttle body overrated I dynoed with my stock TB, then with the Shaner Stage II TB I received last Thursday, and gained a whopping 3RWHP only above ~5500RPM. Now, that's within standard deviation from one pull to another without changing any parts.
Needless to say, I'm gonna gripe to him about the performance he advertised to me on the phone, and am disgruntled enough with it to request to ship it back for a full refund. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" />
Needless to say, I'm gonna gripe to him about the performance he advertised to me on the phone, and am disgruntled enough with it to request to ship it back for a full refund. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" />
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From: Casselberry FL
Re: Shaner throttle body overrated I just bolted it up. Driving it for awhile? Why would the PCM need to relearn anything? I've seen others post 6-10RWHP on theirs, and it was implied those were without learning mileage.
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Re: Shaner throttle body overrated well shaner told me the best way, and I do believe it, is to cruise around for a couple of hours slowly laying into the throttle. That should help out, it is a NEW piece to your fuel & air system which should need some learning.
Re: Shaner throttle body overrated well unfortunately every car reacts differently to mods. what works for some doesn't for others. look at MAF ends. same problems. atleast you didnt lose hp <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> how much you pay for it? 3hp is 3hp, and for a bolt on car, i still say it's worth it. when you do head/cam it'll be worth more. hope you get what you want though!
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From: Casselberry FL
Re: Shaner throttle body overrated z28kid98: Did you miss my signature? I've already got heads/cam/intake/headers/etc.
I paid $195 for a stage II truck version, so that I could keep my stock unit.
I paid $195 for a stage II truck version, so that I could keep my stock unit.
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Re: Shaner throttle body overrated Well, your cost per HP is definitely not good....$65. Seems a typical price for big ticket items runs around $25-35 per HP.
Something like the FTRA is probably in the $17-22 range.
I home ported mine and could feel a noticeable difference in throttle response. I'd guesstimate 5-8hp worth. Costs me about $3 for sandpaper rolls for the drillpress. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Something like the FTRA is probably in the $17-22 range.
I home ported mine and could feel a noticeable difference in throttle response. I'd guesstimate 5-8hp worth. Costs me about $3 for sandpaper rolls for the drillpress. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Re: Shaner throttle body overrated </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JimMueller:
<strong>z28kid98: Did you miss my signature? I've already got heads/cam/intake/headers/etc.
I paid $195 for a stage II truck version, so that I could keep my stock unit.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah i did miss it. MY BAD!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> then i would be a bit disappointed for sure!
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ps-anyone seen my glasses? i think i'm blind <img border="0" alt="[judgement]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_judge.gif" />
<small>[ September 14, 2002, 11:25 PM: Message edited by: z28kid98 ]</small>
<strong>z28kid98: Did you miss my signature? I've already got heads/cam/intake/headers/etc.
I paid $195 for a stage II truck version, so that I could keep my stock unit.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah i did miss it. MY BAD!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> then i would be a bit disappointed for sure!
C
ps-anyone seen my glasses? i think i'm blind <img border="0" alt="[judgement]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_judge.gif" />
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Re: Shaner throttle body overrated The computer learning thing ONLY applies if your fuel trims go out of whack on the throttle body swap. IMHO Shaner's is no different from any other ported TB... it's good for a few rwhp... but it ain't gonna transform your car. I hear guys saying **** like "the car pulls 6th gear now!" and "it hits like nitrous in 3rd!" Damn that is some SERIOUS BS!!
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Re: Shaner throttle body overrated </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Oil Man:
<strong>The computer learning thing ONLY applies if your fuel trims go out of whack on the throttle body swap. IMHO Shaner's is no different from any other ported TB... it's good for a few rwhp... but it ain't gonna transform your car. I hear guys saying **** like "the car pulls 6th gear now!" and "it hits like nitrous in 3rd!" Damn that is some SERIOUS BS!!
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">BWAAAAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHA.....pulling in 6th gear! holy crap that made me laugh! I hear that alot around my area, some people just dont know. Sorry off subject but it made me laugh.
<strong>The computer learning thing ONLY applies if your fuel trims go out of whack on the throttle body swap. IMHO Shaner's is no different from any other ported TB... it's good for a few rwhp... but it ain't gonna transform your car. I hear guys saying **** like "the car pulls 6th gear now!" and "it hits like nitrous in 3rd!" Damn that is some SERIOUS BS!!
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">BWAAAAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHA.....pulling in 6th gear! holy crap that made me laugh! I hear that alot around my area, some people just dont know. Sorry off subject but it made me laugh.
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Re: Shaner throttle body overrated Humm,don`t know about my dyno #s,but I gained a tenth and a half on a 1/8 mile track after I got a Shaner S2 TB. Drive it around and then take it to the track and see if it helped. If not,then I bet Mark will gladly take care of you!
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Re: Shaner throttle body overrated </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Oil Man:
<strong>The computer learning thing ONLY applies if your fuel trims go out of whack on the throttle body swap. IMHO Shaner's is no different from any other ported TB... it's good for a few rwhp... but it ain't gonna transform your car. I hear guys saying **** like "the car pulls 6th gear now!" and "it hits like nitrous in 3rd!" Damn that is some SERIOUS BS!!
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, I'm beginning to think the TB matters more on a car which might not be tuned all that well. It does seem to reduce the surging. Hell, I was cruising at 1100RPM through a parking lot at idle and it wasn't bucking. But that improvement isn't worth what I paid for it.
I sent him e-mail late Sunday, but no further followup yet. I don't follow why the TB would act any different at the track than the dyno...it's not like a Supersucker or the FTRA.
<strong>The computer learning thing ONLY applies if your fuel trims go out of whack on the throttle body swap. IMHO Shaner's is no different from any other ported TB... it's good for a few rwhp... but it ain't gonna transform your car. I hear guys saying **** like "the car pulls 6th gear now!" and "it hits like nitrous in 3rd!" Damn that is some SERIOUS BS!!
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, I'm beginning to think the TB matters more on a car which might not be tuned all that well. It does seem to reduce the surging. Hell, I was cruising at 1100RPM through a parking lot at idle and it wasn't bucking. But that improvement isn't worth what I paid for it.
I sent him e-mail late Sunday, but no further followup yet. I don't follow why the TB would act any different at the track than the dyno...it's not like a Supersucker or the FTRA.
Re: Shaner throttle body overrated </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Oil Man:
<strong> I hear guys saying **** like "the car pulls 6th gear now!" and "it hits like nitrous in 3rd!" Damn that is some SERIOUS BS!!
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'll echo you on that.
It's the last restriction in the intake system, so after you take care of it your getting the most out of your system. A ported TB helps, but even I'll say it's not the be all end all of mods. It's just one of the many things you need to make the car reach it's max.
<strong> I hear guys saying **** like "the car pulls 6th gear now!" and "it hits like nitrous in 3rd!" Damn that is some SERIOUS BS!!
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'll echo you on that.
It's the last restriction in the intake system, so after you take care of it your getting the most out of your system. A ported TB helps, but even I'll say it's not the be all end all of mods. It's just one of the many things you need to make the car reach it's max.
Re: Shaner throttle body overrated ive had my S2 for a few months now and i saw an increase the night i had it installed. i could feel an improvement in throttle response and pick up in the low rpm's. but i havent dynoed my car so i cant say what i gained exactly.
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Re: Shaner throttle body overrated At least you didnt lose power <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> But seriously, there are no guarantees in this business especially concerning power gains. You can't exactly gripe at GM when your car doesnt dyno as strongly as another LS1 from the factory...
