Generation III Internal Engine 1997-2006 LS1 | LS6
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

gm fails again.......lifter

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 1, 2010 | 12:32 PM
  #1  
ls2 bait's Avatar
Thread Starter
9 Second Club
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 4,507
Likes: 5
From: in your closet
Default gm fails again.......lifter

aaaaaand 13k miles later i have an ls7 lifter take a ****. this is now the second time i have hada lifter failure with a gm lifter. first time my caddy lifters last 2k miles now my ls7 lasts 13k. and with the poorly designed valley of the ls motor the heads have to come off to get at a single lifter. may as well replace them all........again.
Reply
Old Jan 1, 2010 | 12:42 PM
  #2  
allngn_c5's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 6,524
Likes: 1
From: Western Burbs of Detroit
Default

So what lifter do you think you'll go with this time ?? I used to use the comp R's in my 346, but LGM said the ls7's would be fine on my 402. Lets hope they last longer then yours did. I've got about 10,000 (mostly highway) miles on the motor. I'll let you know.

BTW, very sorry to hear the news. When did you find out? If you found out today, thats one hell of a way to start the new year
Reply
Old Jan 1, 2010 | 12:46 PM
  #3  
JMBLOWNWS6's Avatar
9 Second Club
iTrader: (17)
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 4,997
Likes: 0
From: New Braunfels ,Tx
Default

Sorry to hear about your lifter. I have used Morel lifters with great success. I had the GM lifters fail before
Reply
Old Jan 1, 2010 | 12:47 PM
  #4  
ls2 bait's Avatar
Thread Starter
9 Second Club
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 4,507
Likes: 5
From: in your closet
Default

it happened 2 days ago. i fired it up to head home from work and heard it right away. it was fine on the way to work. i limped it home....which it drove exactly the same. no misfires or loss in oil pressure like when the caddy lifter went out but i kept it under 2k and went home and started checking things and number 3 exhaust had about 15 thousandths play in the rocker with the valves closed. and i have them set at .065 preload. i will likely use them again and just pray it was bad luck. for every lifter i have seen there has been negative press so i dont think any one is better then the other at this point.
Reply
Old Jan 1, 2010 | 12:48 PM
  #5  
Damian's Avatar
LSX Mechanic
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (89)
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 10,396
Likes: 14
From: Atlanta
Default

Some peoples' luck is just different. I've never had a lifter fail. I've put cams on stock lifters w/ 150,000 miles and had no problems.

The LS gods choose their people wisely I guess.
Reply
Old Jan 1, 2010 | 12:51 PM
  #6  
allngn_c5's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 6,524
Likes: 1
From: Western Burbs of Detroit
Default

Got ya. I'll let you know if and when I have a failure. But lets hope that I don't have any failures. I've had enough major breaks and only one small failure. I'd like to enjoy a year of trouble free driving come Springtime up here in Michigan. Oil changes is about all I plan on doing unless I put a ton of miles on the car and then I'll change the tranny and rear diff fluid too. Premature maintenance is cheaper then premature failure. Best of luck with the lifter swap. Hopefully no more issues after that, good luck.
Reply
Old Jan 1, 2010 | 12:53 PM
  #7  
allngn_c5's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 6,524
Likes: 1
From: Western Burbs of Detroit
Default

Originally Posted by Damian
Some peoples' luck is just different. I've never had a lifter fail. I've put cams on stock lifters w/ 150,000 miles and had no problems.

The LS gods choose their people wisely I guess.
Damien, that is just mean bro. Laugh at the man during a minor setback.

Happy New Years to ya though.
Reply
Old Jan 1, 2010 | 12:57 PM
  #8  
99blancoSS's Avatar
Banned
iTrader: (115)
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 9,892
Likes: 3
From: ST Helens, OR
Default

You should see what happens when the wheel falls off them, it can take out the whole bottom end.

You've gone through 2 sets of GM lifters and are putting another set in?

http://estore.websitepros.com/212053...tegory=Lifters

In stock ready to ship. OEM lifters are not made to withstand the forces seen in a true hi performance engine. RPMS are a killer, its not ust about lobes and spring pressures.
Reply
LS1 Tech Stories

The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time

story-0

6 Gifts Neither Your Dad Nor Grad Will Shove Into the 'Trinket Drawer'

 Brett Foote
story-1

Topdon ONE vs. Artidiag 800 BT2: Which is the Diagnostic Tablet For You?

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-2

Gas Monkey Built a 6-Wheel Ferrari Testarossa With a Corvette LT4 Engine

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

 Verdad Gallardo
story-5

6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-6

Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-8

Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

 
story-9

Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Jan 1, 2010 | 12:58 PM
  #9  
elias_799's Avatar
TECH Addict
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 2,047
Likes: 2
From: toronto ontario canada
Default

one of my ls7 lifters started to bleed down a little after 6000km on my new motor. and i run 15w40 oil
Reply
Old Jan 1, 2010 | 01:02 PM
  #10  
JMBLOWNWS6's Avatar
9 Second Club
iTrader: (17)
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 4,997
Likes: 0
From: New Braunfels ,Tx
Default

Originally Posted by ls2 bait
for every lifter i have seen there has been negative press so i dont think any one is better then the other at this point.
This is true. I am just sharing with you I have had valvetrain problems in the past with the GM OEM lifters. And out of the last 5 motors I have done, The 3 with Morels didnt have any issues. Not to say it was luck, user error or experience just my .02 Good luck and hope you get it worked out.
Reply
Old Jan 1, 2010 | 01:03 PM
  #11  
ls2 bait's Avatar
Thread Starter
9 Second Club
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 4,507
Likes: 5
From: in your closet
Default

Originally Posted by 99blancoSS
You should see what happens when the wheel falls off them, it can take out the whole bottom end.

You've gone through 2 sets of GM lifters and are putting another set in?

http://estore.websitepros.com/212053...tegory=Lifters

In stock ready to ship. OEM lifters are not made to withstand the forces seen in a true hi performance engine. RPMS are a killer, its not ust about lobes and spring pressures.
gonna change the valve springs while i have the heads off. any idea what some pac duals would cost?
Reply
Old Jan 1, 2010 | 01:06 PM
  #12  
99blancoSS's Avatar
Banned
iTrader: (115)
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 9,892
Likes: 3
From: ST Helens, OR
Default

All depends on which ones, the 1521 or 1221. The 1521 is the nitrided endurance dual, but I would serioulsy look to putting in a set of Morels. A stuck plunger or semi collapse is one thing but when the wheel falls off the lifter (and they do I can post pictures of it), your going to be spending a lot more money to fix it. I'l post up a price on the springs.
Reply
Old Jan 1, 2010 | 01:11 PM
  #13  
sixt9er's Avatar
TECH Enthusiast
15 Year Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 507
Likes: 8
From: Oakland, CA
Default

This is a good thread for information. I heard that GM lifters were ggreat for high performance applications. But I always here reference to the Caddy lifters being superior to the LS7 ones...hmmm...sorry to hear about your troubles and losses though, that sucks for sure...
Reply
Old Jan 1, 2010 | 01:13 PM
  #14  
allngn_c5's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 6,524
Likes: 1
From: Western Burbs of Detroit
Default

https://www.vengeancerd.com/ecart/pr...raulic-Lifters

Any opinions on the CompR's ? I had great success with them in my old 346 h/c full bolt on setup.
Reply
Old Jan 1, 2010 | 01:34 PM
  #15  
99blancoSS's Avatar
Banned
iTrader: (115)
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 9,892
Likes: 3
From: ST Helens, OR
Default

Originally Posted by sixt9er
This is a good thread for information. I heard that GM lifters were ggreat for high performance applications. But I always here reference to the Caddy lifters being superior to the LS7 ones...hmmm...sorry to hear about your troubles and losses though, that sucks for sure...
Both of what you heard was false, the LS7 is a stock OEM lifter and is not a hi performance part. The Caddy ones are made for a specific use and this is not it from what we've seen from the failures on them.

Allnc5 as far as the Comp-R's they are more expensive but that's about it (IMO).
It comes down to material used. The Morel uses tool steel the other's don't so why pay more for the same basic thing.
Reply
Old Jan 1, 2010 | 01:39 PM
  #16  
allngn_c5's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 6,524
Likes: 1
From: Western Burbs of Detroit
Default

Thanks for the explanation Chris. Its good that everyone is just trying to help. LS1tech is a pretty nice community to be part of when you need advice / help.
Reply
Old Jan 1, 2010 | 01:55 PM
  #17  
ls2 bait's Avatar
Thread Starter
9 Second Club
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 4,507
Likes: 5
From: in your closet
Default

i had a wheel fall off a caddy lifter in my last motor. thats why i have this motor actually. i loved my car when it was head and cam.

i have heard bad things about morels also. doesnt mean i def wont use them but i have seen just as much bad press on every lifter except the caddys which flat out suck for these applications apparently.
Reply
Old Jan 1, 2010 | 01:58 PM
  #18  
99blancoSS's Avatar
Banned
iTrader: (115)
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 9,892
Likes: 3
From: ST Helens, OR
Default

What have you heard bad about the Morel?? We've seen a few packaged wrong but thats an easy fix.
Reply
Old Jan 1, 2010 | 02:06 PM
  #19  
02*C5's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
15 Year Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,704
Likes: 303
From: Az
Default

Sorry to hear that bro not the way you want to start your new year.

Good Luck
Reply
Old Jan 1, 2010 | 02:42 PM
  #20  
GTO1_OHIO's Avatar
11 Second Club
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 600
Likes: 1
From: Melbourne Beach FL
Default

Originally Posted by ls2 bait
gonna change the valve springs while i have the heads off. any idea what some pac duals would cost?
I just paid $284 shipped for the PAC 1221s ... and $515 for Morel lifters.

And like it was said the LS7 lifter was the stock lifter starting with the LS2 and is now the GM stock replacement for the LS1 too.
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:52 AM.

story-0
6 Gifts Neither Your Dad Nor Grad Will Shove Into the 'Trinket Drawer'

Don't get dad new socks or a grill brush this year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-04 18:13:20


VIEW MORE
story-1
Topdon ONE vs. Artidiag 800 BT2: Which is the Diagnostic Tablet For You?

Slideshow: We take a close look at the ONE and Artidiag 800BT2 diagnostic tools from Topdon and the reasons to buy one over the other.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-28 11:05:11


VIEW MORE
story-2
Gas Monkey Built a 6-Wheel Ferrari Testarossa With a Corvette LT4 Engine

Slideshow: The controversial Ferrari F6 swaps its original flat-12 for a Corvette Z06-derived LT4 V8 and sends power to four rear wheels through a custom-built drivetrain.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-26 18:23:54


VIEW MORE
story-3
7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built

Slideshow:These GM engines didn't just make huge power, they survived abuse, boost, track days, and six-digit mileage with a reputation for refusing to quit.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-21 16:45:27


VIEW MORE
story-4
Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

Slideshow: This heavily modified 1971 Camaro mixes classic muscle car styling with a fifth-generation Camaro interior and modern LS3 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:06:42


VIEW MORE
story-5
6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

Slideshow: From wobbling harmonic balancers to failed EBCMs, these are the issues that define long-term C5 ownership and what repairs typically involve.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-07 18:44:57


VIEW MORE
story-6
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

Slideshow: A modern Camaro transformed into a retro icon, this limited-run "Bandit" build blends nostalgia with brute force in a way few revivals manage.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:57:02


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

Slideshow: Cadillac didn't just crash the high-performance luxury vehicle party, it showed up loud, supercharged, and occasionally a little unhinged...

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-16 10:05:15


VIEW MORE
story-8
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

Slideshow: Top ten most powerful Chevy trucks ever made

By | 2026-03-25 09:22:26


VIEW MORE
story-9
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

Slideshow: Hennessey has turned the Silverado ZR2 into a 700-hp off-road monster with supercharged V8 power and a limited production run.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-24 18:57:52


VIEW MORE