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Old 10-03-2012, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by TT427
Are any of these a little sensative to oil viscosity? I think some of the modular stuff is... Have you tried anything a little heavier?
I've tried 10W-30 and 5W-30 conventional & synthetic. Haven't tried straight-weight or 10W-40. I looked locally for German Castrol but no luck. I have a HP Melling pump, 40#+ at idle 65# at speed.
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Originally Posted by J Glen
Simply a stock lifter. One might even say that comp buys them from the same place GM gets their lifters from.
J Glen - Sounds like you might have some inside info there LOL. But even if they "buy them from the same place" does that mean they are physically the same piece? Maybe Comp has provided different specifications for clearances, tolerances, etc.? Thanks for any info you can provide.....
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Originally Posted by hiltsy855
J Glen - Sounds like you might have some inside info there LOL. But even if they "buy them from the same place" does that mean they are physically the same piece? Maybe Comp has provided different specifications for clearances, tolerances, etc.? Thanks for any info you can provide.....
Not being the same piece means new machining programs, new control tools and control sequences, and because of tighter tolerance, more rejected parts (assuming the parts are starting from the same point same place...)

Numbers are not adding...Comp is +/- $70 above...that's % their margin on the same product GM is selling by thousands for the same end profit with a lower margin...

I would follow someone's advice that knows about Lifter Business!

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Just an idea, but the noise could be the exhaust valve closing due to the faster ramp rate of the lobes. The XER's had really fast ramp near .005" so I get a bit or "sewing" machine. No lifter change or preload change helped. I haven't tried a cam with a different lobe profile but I will be in the near future.
I had Pat G spec be a cam that controlled the exhaust better and I think it used LXL or LSL lobes, cannot remember which, but I never got around to having it made. i am currently using the comp XER profile that comes with the TSP 228r cam.
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I replaced an XER with an LXL and it was no quieter.
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Fair enough. :-) I may have the wrong lobe listed...I cannot remember which it was exactly.
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Originally Posted by speedtigger
I replaced an XER with an LXL and it was no quieter.
Bummer. I thought you said the LXL exhaust was a little better.
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Originally Posted by hiltsy855
Bummer. I thought you said the LXL exhaust was a little better.
I thought it was at first, but after a few good hard runs, it was the same noisey torture.

This is going to sound weird, but if my car sits for a long period of time (like weeks) the lifters will be quiet when I first start driving it again. It does not last long though.
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Originally Posted by Exidous
Just an idea, but the noise could be the exhaust valve closing due to the faster ramp rate of the lobes....
That seems to be the consensus......in some cases. In my case I can't hear all the valves closing which you would think would be the case if the lobe design was at fault. It's more like I hear 2 or 3 ticking noises at cam speed, and it's more prominent between 1500 and 1900 rpm. Since I've tried all different pre-loads on all rockers I can only conclude that I have a few lifters that just aren't happy.
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This is good information. Right now I have my intake and valley cover off contemplating aftermarket lifters. I have had loud inside the vehicle valvetrain noise since I first started it. There is also a ticking down the longtube headers.
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Originally Posted by hiltsy855
it's more prominent between 1500 and 1900 rpm. Since I've tried all different pre-loads on all rockers I can only conclude that I have a few lifters that just aren't happy.
We are definitely in the same boat. Mine is most noticeable at 1500 too.
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Originally Posted by miami993c297
....Numbers are not adding...Comp is +/- $70 above...that's % their margin on the same product GM is selling by thousands for the same end profit with a lower margin....
Ya, you make a good point here.

Originally Posted by miami993c297
....I would follow someone's advice that knows about Lifter Business!.....
That's why I started this thread, looking for advice. And that knowledgeable person is???? I was hoping to find some good info besides "just spend $600 ($400 for used in your case), problem solved".

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.....Buy Mexican, and be happy with.

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I bought Mexican and I'm not happy!

I do appreciate your input.
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Morel makes two sets of link bar lifters. The street version isnt for 6500rpm+, they have another version for high rpm loads.
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Originally Posted by hiltsy855
That's why I started this thread, looking for advice. And that knowledgeable person is????
Contact this tech member: Havoc40
I have spoken to him. I think he can answer all of your lifter technical questions.
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Originally Posted by Tainted
Morel makes two sets of link bar lifters. The street version isnt for 6500rpm+, they have another version for high rpm loads.
Yep. And I'd be thrilled with a 6500rpm limit if the lifters were quiet.
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Originally Posted by hiltsy855



That's why I started this thread, looking for advice. And that knowledgeable person is????
I do appreciate your input.
In my previous post J Glen is the person you are mentionning in the quote attached...and being employed of Morel qualify as a knwoledgeable person about lifters to me...

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Originally Posted by Tainted
Morel makes two sets of link bar lifters. The street version isnt for 6500rpm+, they have another version for high rpm loads.
The Morel street version is OEM replacement for "out of the factory no engine modification" use and 6500 rpm as stock...
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Originally Posted by miami993c297
In my previous post J Glen is the person you are mentionning in the quote attached...and being employed of Morel qualify as a knwoledgeable person about lifters to me...

Christian
Well that's interesting. He said he was with Straub Technologies and from looking at their website it looks to me like they are an internet parts distributor. No mention of lifter manufacturing. Regardless, I am looking for advice but at this point I don't think he has made a recommendation, other than essentially 'don't waste money on Comps because they are the same as LS7 lifters'.
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Originally Posted by miami993c297
The Morel street version is OEM replacement for "out of the factory no engine modification" use and 6500 rpm as stock...
Hmmm. Sounds a lot like a designation I'd also place on LS7 lifters. So at this point my options are:

1. Used $400 Morel race lifters (thanks, Miami)
2. New $600 Morel race lifters
3. New $380 Morel or Lunati "street" lifters for OEM cams / limited RPM
4. Play LS7 lifter Russian roulette and hope I get some quiet ones this time

Awesome choices....
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Originally Posted by hiltsy855
He said he was with Straub Technologies and from looking at their website it looks to me like they are an internet parts distributor.
I would consider Chris Straub as a little more "aware" of Morel Company than restricting him to internet parts distributor...

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