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Old Feb 7, 2013 | 11:03 AM
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Well done!

I wish I could put my car on your Dyno! I would love to see the numbers.
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Old Feb 7, 2013 | 11:44 AM
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Martin, it's awesome you're posting up these dyno graphs and idle clips of your cams!
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Old Feb 7, 2013 | 12:02 PM
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Well done!

I wish I could put my car on your Dyno! I would love to see the numbers.
Our dyno is still probably one of the stingiest Dyno Jets in the state. It's an Eddy Current Dyno Jet which uses the same type of drum as a Mustang Dyno or a Dyno Dynamics. It doesn't read near as low as either of those dyno's, but it's normally down 10-20rwhp over the local intertia style Dyno Jets.

That said, we urge our customers to go to the track and see the MPH and E.T. if they're truly concerned with power numbers.
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Martin, it's awesome you're posting up these dyno graphs and idle clips of your cams!
Not a problem. I feel that there is a lack of information out there involving camshafts, cylinder heads and combinations in general regarding dyno numbers. Whether it be turbo, N/A, supercharged or N2O, it seems the only time any of the other shops post up dyno graphs is when they have a ringer or they have made a very large dyno number and want to show it off.

I feel like there are way more "average" combinations out there than there are ringers and that most LS powered vehicle owners don't get to see a true representation of what their combination will really make. Then when it puts out a much lower number than those "ringer" combo's they're disappointed in the power numbers. I'm just trying to and bring some real world information to the average enthusiast.
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Old Feb 7, 2013 | 12:24 PM
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Lol, I'm with you man. I didn't want it to sound like I'm disappointed in any way, I'd love to watch one of my buddies put gas in my car after he judged the numbers and not the car. (But they know better )

I wanted to get some numbers from the track tomorrow, but rain is in the forecast so it may be a no go.

My car is a street monster IMO. Lol I couldn't be happier. The dyno you guys use is very "real world" from what I've read on dyno's. I was just curious to see if I would read any higher, just based on the fact both the tuner and shop guys said the Dyno they used is a very stingy bitch.
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Old Feb 7, 2013 | 12:33 PM
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FEARLS, thanks for the help yesterday. All is good with the clearance of the cam, but the bad new is, the stock 241's are going back on the car for now. Just ordered the .660 lift spring kit from Brian Tooley. I have pretty much decided that once all this **** gets worked out with the AFR heads, I'm going to order the TFS As Cast 220cc heads from Brian Tooley with the PM guides so I can use my stock rockers.
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Old Feb 7, 2013 | 01:52 PM
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thats exactly what im gonna do. see if you can get him to turn down some ls3 valves for you, i think it only a couple hundred extra and well worth it in my book.
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Old Feb 7, 2013 | 02:54 PM
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Lol, I'm with you man. I didn't want it to sound like I'm disappointed in any way, I'd love to watch one of my buddies put gas in my car after he judged the numbers and not the car. (But they know better )

I wanted to get some numbers from the track tomorrow, but rain is in the forecast so it may be a no go.

My car is a street monster IMO. Lol I couldn't be happier. The dyno you guys use is very "real world" from what I've read on dyno's. I was just curious to see if I would read any higher, just based on the fact both the tuner and shop guys said the Dyno they used is a very stingy bitch.
I knew you weren't saying that you were disappointed, I got into one of my rambling modes lol. The dyno dynamics machine is by far the stingiest chassis dyno known to man. Your numbers are awesome for that dyno no doubt about it. I'm glad you love the power the cam offers, but it's really the cylinder heads that make your set up shine.
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FEARLS, thanks for the help yesterday. All is good with the clearance of the cam, but the bad new is, the stock 241's are going back on the car for now. Just ordered the .660 lift spring kit from Brian Tooley. I have pretty much decided that once all this **** gets worked out with the AFR heads, I'm going to order the TFS As Cast 220cc heads from Brian Tooley with the PM guides so I can use my stock rockers.
I would wager that the SNS stage 2 can and will make damn near 400rwhp if not 400rwhp cam only with a ls6 intake.

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Old Feb 7, 2013 | 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Rise of the Phoenix
FEARLS, thanks for the help yesterday. All is good with the clearance of the cam, but the bad new is, the stock 241's are going back on the car for now. Just ordered the .660 lift spring kit from Brian Tooley. I have pretty much decided that once all this **** gets worked out with the AFR heads, I'm going to order the TFS As Cast 220cc heads from Brian Tooley with the PM guides so I can use my stock rockers.
I knew you would see the light eventually
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Old Feb 7, 2013 | 11:29 PM
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FEARLS, thanks for the help yesterday. All is good with the clearance of the cam, but the bad new is, the stock 241's are going back on the car for now. Just ordered the .660 lift spring kit from Brian Tooley. I have pretty much decided that once all this **** gets worked out with the AFR heads, I'm going to order the TFS As Cast 220cc heads from Brian Tooley with the PM guides so I can use my stock rockers.
No worries man, glad I could help. Hopefully all works out for you. Keep us posted.
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I knew you would see the light eventually
Thanks for leading me in the right direction.

You going to give me a ride in your car once you get it finished up?
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Crazy question, as I'm aware of your AFR head debacle, but have you considered the AI 219HCR 241's? Guys have actually made crazy-good power with them.

Hey, at least you could keep the rims!
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Old Feb 8, 2013 | 03:33 PM
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Crazy question, as I'm aware of your AFR head debacle, but have you considered the AI 219HCR 241's? Guys have actually made crazy-good power with them.

Hey, at least you could keep the rims!
Yeah, I considered that option, but for just a little more, I can get the TFS as cast heads.
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Old Feb 8, 2013 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by dr_whigham
Crazy question, as I'm aware of your AFR head debacle, but have you considered the AI 219HCR 241's? Guys have actually made crazy-good power with them.

Hey, at least you could keep the rims!
That is a very nice extremely overlooked CNC program that AI offers.
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Old Feb 8, 2013 | 03:55 PM
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I like the specs on the SNS torquemax stage 2. listened to the idle clip and it sounds nasty.

Martin how would that cam fit with my set up... lt/ory w/ magnaflow, ls6 intake, ported tb, ss3600 and stock gears.
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Old Feb 8, 2013 | 04:07 PM
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I like the specs on the SNS torquemax stage 2. listened to the idle clip and it sounds nasty.

Martin how would that cam fit with my set up... lt/ory w/ magnaflow, ls6 intake, ported tb, ss3600 and stock gears.
For a stalled A4 that has a 3600rpm stall I'd go with the slightly larger LS2 SNS Stage 2. My reason behind that is since the 227/235 110+3 and the 231/235 111+2 have identical amounts of overlap@.050" lift they will both drive nearly the same. The 231/235 will make a slightly higher peak power number and torque number over the 227/235, with the 227/235 making slightly higher numbers under 3500rpm. I like to use the 227/235 in M6 vehicles because it makes more power under 3500rpm, but with a A4 that has a 3600rpm stall I like the 231/235.

Reason being with a 3600rpm stall when you mat the gas it will jump up to 3600rpm and go from there. Any gain you would see under 3600rpm with the smaller 227/235 cam would be negated and never felt nor realized. So the added peak power and torque from the 231/235 would be beneficial in this aspect.

They both will have the same sound at idle that everyone likes so much with the slightly higher peak number being beneficial to the stalled A4 only in this case.
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For a stalled A4 that has a 3600rpm stall I'd go with the slightly larger LS2 SNS Stage 2. My reason behind that is since the 227/235 110+3 and the 231/235 111+2 have identical amounts of overlap@.050" lift they will both drive nearly the same. The 231/235 will make a slightly higher peak power number and torque number over the 227/235, with the 227/235 making slightly higher numbers under 3500rpm. I like to use the 227/235 in M6 vehicles because it makes more power under 3500rpm, but with a A4 that has a 3600rpm stall I like the 231/235.

Reason being with a 3600rpm stall when you mat the gas it will jump up to 3600rpm and go from there. Any gain you would see under 3600rpm with the smaller 227/235 cam would be negated and never felt nor realized. So the added peak power and torque from the 231/235 would be beneficial in this aspect.

They both will have the same sound at idle that everyone likes so much with the slightly higher peak number being beneficial to the stalled A4 only in this case.

thanks for all the info martin that all makes a lot of sense. one more thing, how would that cam do in part throttle dd type situations? would it have trouble surging when its idling in gear? the car isnt a dd but i like to drive it often.
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thanks for all the info martin that all makes a lot of sense. one more thing, how would that cam do in part throttle dd type situations? would it have trouble surging when its idling in gear? the car isnt a dd but i like to drive it often.
It would drive pretty well with a good tune. It needs some attention paid to the tune, but any good tuner that actually street tunes a vehicle for longer than a few hours or uses a true load bearing dyno for longer than a few hours can dial it in perfectly.
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It would drive pretty well with a good tune. It needs some attention paid to the tune, but any good tuner that actually street tunes a vehicle for longer than a few hours or uses a true load bearing dyno for longer than a few hours can dial it in perfectly.
awesome. Id take it to a good tuner when i got it done. when the time comes ill give ya a call.
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Thanks for leading me in the right direction.

You going to give me a ride in your car once you get it finished up?
For sure man. It will be like a preview for when you get the TFS heads. Mine won't be done for a few more weeks though
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For sure man. It will be like a preview for when you get the TFS heads. Mine won't be done for a few more weeks though
I'm looking forward to seeing your results. Who's tuning your ride?
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