Generation III Internal Engine 1997-2006 LS1 | LS6
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

LS1 Spring retainer

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 04-10-2014, 03:33 PM
  #41  
TECH Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
Justhereforinfo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 414
Received 19 Likes on 13 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by fastlane02ss
Yea they are not compatible with the dual springs,I just found that out.I should have known,but I got the springs from a buddy and didnt have the seats/seals with them.I know now though.So this is probably what is causing my problem,and thats what Texas Speed said as well when I called them today,they are going to go ahead and send me the correct seats and seals overnight.
We live and learn. Glad you got it figured out and that its not ptv damage.

Good luck.
Old 04-10-2014, 06:21 PM
  #42  
8 Second Club
iTrader: (3)
 
RonSSNova's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 4,600
Received 700 Likes on 441 Posts

Default

Ah ha. It was an interference problem.
Best check your pushrods. Wouldn't be surprised to see some bent ones.
I'd carefully inspect all the rockers as well. On the underside where the tip meets the body.

Ron
Old 04-11-2014, 07:52 AM
  #43  
Teching In
Thread Starter
 
fastlane02ss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Savannah,ga
Posts: 35
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

We live and learn indeed,ill make sure I check all that stuff Ron and hopefully it all checks out.I appreciate the help from everyone.Ill be working on it today after work so ill let yall know the results today or tomorrow,might even post a video of it.I havnt even been able to hear it run long myself,it will be nice to finally have it right.The anticipation is killing me!
Old 04-11-2014, 08:25 AM
  #44  
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (2)
 
GMC5.3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Colorado
Posts: 634
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Question for you guys I got this spring set for my cam swap ( http://www.lunatipower.com/Product.aspx?id=2584 ), and it only came with black seals not both black and brown, this problem did not allow is to use the new seat, am I going to have the op's problem? I did use the new springs retainer and locks.
Old 04-11-2014, 09:30 AM
  #45  
TECH Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
Justhereforinfo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 414
Received 19 Likes on 13 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by GMC5.3
Question for you guys I got this spring set for my cam swap ( http://www.lunatipower.com/Product.aspx?id=2584 ), and it only came with black seals not both black and brown, this problem did not allow is to use the new seat, am I going to have the op's problem? I did use the new springs retainer and locks.
I would say yes, you will have the same problem. I run this spring kit from lunati http://www.flowtechinduction.com/lun...g-kit-73925k1/ and can tell you that those black seals are made for both intake and exhaust. After you remove the old seal/seat and install the new seat you push those seals down real hard against the seat. I use a perfectly sized socket and tap it on lightly with a hammer, until it contacts the seat.

I will go out on a limb here and say that any dual spring kit wont work with the stock seal/seat. Thats why all the dual spring kits come with their own seats and seals.

I would fix that issue before you run it.
Old 04-11-2014, 09:38 AM
  #46  
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (2)
 
GMC5.3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Colorado
Posts: 634
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Done, damn I'm so glad I got on tech this morning
Old 04-11-2014, 10:39 AM
  #47  
Teching In
Thread Starter
 
fastlane02ss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Savannah,ga
Posts: 35
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by GMC5.3
Done, damn I'm so glad I got on tech this morning
Glad you did to man.Wish I would have caught it sooner,but these guys in here helped me out big time.
Old 04-11-2014, 08:08 PM
  #48  
Teching In
Thread Starter
 
fastlane02ss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Savannah,ga
Posts: 35
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Got to working on it today and is there a way to determine if that valve is bent?Cause when the rocker arm broke it contacted the retainer and then knocked out the locks and the valve spring tried to shoot off.I can grab the valve stem but cant seem to get it to move up or down or even just spin it.Im assuming that means it is more than likely bent.Just wanted to make sure.
Old 04-11-2014, 08:14 PM
  #49  
TECH Addict
iTrader: (2)
 
Darkman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Spring, Texas
Posts: 2,167
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by fastlane02ss
Got to working on it today and is there a way to determine if that valve is bent?Cause when the rocker arm broke it contacted the retainer and then knocked out the locks and the valve spring tried to shoot off.I can grab the valve stem but cant seem to get it to move up or down or even just spin it.Im assuming that means it is more than likely bent.Just wanted to make sure.
Your description sounds like a bent valve and/or guide to me.
Old 04-11-2014, 08:24 PM
  #50  
Teching In
Thread Starter
 
fastlane02ss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Savannah,ga
Posts: 35
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Darkman
Your description sounds like a bent valve and/or guide to me.
That sucks so bad.Even if that piston was all the way up the valve would still drop some before it hits the piston right?Basically I would still be able to move it a little even if the piston was up.
Old 04-11-2014, 08:35 PM
  #51  
TECH Addict
iTrader: (2)
 
Darkman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Spring, Texas
Posts: 2,167
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by fastlane02ss
That sucks so bad.Even if that piston was all the way up the valve would still drop some before it hits the piston right?Basically I would still be able to move it a little even if the piston was up.
With the piston at top dead center the valve should move some.
Old 04-11-2014, 08:40 PM
  #52  
Teching In
Thread Starter
 
fastlane02ss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Savannah,ga
Posts: 35
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Ok,well I guess that confirms a bent valve/guide.
Old 04-12-2014, 01:44 PM
  #53  
Teching In
Thread Starter
 
fastlane02ss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Savannah,ga
Posts: 35
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Got it torn down.
Attached Thumbnails LS1 Spring retainer-20140412_133917.jpg   LS1 Spring retainer-20140412_124727.jpg  
Old 04-12-2014, 03:10 PM
  #54  
TECH Addict
iTrader: (2)
 
Darkman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Spring, Texas
Posts: 2,167
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

Bummer.
Old 04-13-2014, 08:24 AM
  #55  
Teching In
Thread Starter
 
fastlane02ss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Savannah,ga
Posts: 35
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Yea it sucks for sure,im ready to finally get to drive this thing.
Old 04-13-2014, 08:43 AM
  #56  
TECH Addict
iTrader: (2)
 
Darkman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Spring, Texas
Posts: 2,167
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

Were there any marks on the piston?
Old 04-13-2014, 06:08 PM
  #57  
Teching In
Thread Starter
 
fastlane02ss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Savannah,ga
Posts: 35
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Darkman
Were there any marks on the piston?
Yea there was like a light scuff is the best way I can describe it.Almost like someone nicked it with one of those sanding wheels.I didn't take a pic of it though. Didn't actually gouge it or anything luckily.No damage to the cylinder wall either,just the guide took a good hit mainly.
Old 04-13-2014, 08:08 PM
  #58  
8 Second Club
iTrader: (3)
 
RonSSNova's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 4,600
Received 700 Likes on 441 Posts

Default

It can all be repaired.
And will be as good as new.
Obviously that valve fell in and was helped back up by the piston.

Ron
Old 04-13-2014, 11:52 PM
  #59  
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (2)
 
GMC5.3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Colorado
Posts: 634
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Well you have yours and I have mine, my problem is a oil pan bolt decided to spring a leak by the filter. I guess when we dropped the pan a but to change out the oil filter the gasket just of moved a bit. I'm hoping some rtv seals it up by tomorrow.
Old 04-14-2014, 06:19 AM
  #60  
Teching In
Thread Starter
 
fastlane02ss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Savannah,ga
Posts: 35
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by GMC5.3
Well you have yours and I have mine, my problem is a oil pan bolt decided to spring a leak by the filter. I guess when we dropped the pan a but to change out the oil filter the gasket just of moved a bit. I'm hoping some rtv seals it up by tomorrow.
I have been through that recently also.I dropped the pan down to get the oil pump off to change out all the timing stuff,got it back together and I had the same problem.....a leak right by the oil filter bolt.I tried to silicone it,never would seal,it would leak after the car ran for a matter of seconds.Ended up having to pull the oil pan.Then get it all back together again and think im good and the water pump goes bad the next day.....and this is all before the rocker arm/valve issues.I hadnt been able to run it enough for that stuff to break yet.So after all that was replaced as well as the rocker trunions cause they broke on initial startup I thought I was good,got it cranked up good and drove a mile then the rocker arm stuff happens.Its has put up a fight for sure.


Quick Reply: LS1 Spring retainer



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:19 PM.