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05-12-2015, 03:24 AM
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Hey Martin,dyno was a mainline final numbers are 355.2hp@6833 torque was426.9 n.m@4841.Before the tune dynoed 297.8@6150 so big improvement.Drove the car home and i am more than impressed with its performance.I done a lot of research before buying this cam and iknow i made the right choice.Car has a decent set of headers and i also done the trunnion upgrade.Martin just wondering if you have sent many of your cams to Perth Western Australia.Cheers Mick.
05-12-2015, 03:00 PM
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Ive had this cam "the LS2 version 231/235 " in both my Camaro and now my Trans Am and am more than happy with it. Both cars had stock motors with ls6 intakes. In my camaro which was a 6 speed it made 406 on a dynojet, and my Trans Am which is auto made 388 on a jet and has gone 11.60's its first time out and 11.49 with some fine tuning.
Use-able power is where this thing shines no need to spin the hell out of it, comes on super strong around 3k and pulls nice to 6600. And added bonus is the thing sounds pretty nasty nice choppy idle.
Use-able power is where this thing shines no need to spin the hell out of it, comes on super strong around 3k and pulls nice to 6600. And added bonus is the thing sounds pretty nasty nice choppy idle.
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06-24-2015, 09:00 PM
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Back from the dead and a long overdue follow up.
To make a long story short the original tune/tuner was absolutely an idiot. Car was an absolute nightmare to drive. Tuner even had the car for a week to tune on it and had it all messed up.
So the car has sat pretty much sat all winter and spring waiting to get retuned. So...
Had the car retuned and Dyno'd by Jeremy Formato today. Needless to say I am very pleased with the results. The car is amazing fun to drive and the tune feels great.
I'd have no issue daily driving this car now when before the mere thought of starting it would make me sick at the stomach.
Now to the meat of it. This cam rocks! 404hp and 376 ft-lbs !!
Was told the car really wanted more to breath up top and a Fast92/ TB was suggested for the future. That's bad *** for stock 241 heads IMO. Now just need to get the thing to the track and see what it really does.
To make a long story short the original tune/tuner was absolutely an idiot. Car was an absolute nightmare to drive. Tuner even had the car for a week to tune on it and had it all messed up.
So the car has sat pretty much sat all winter and spring waiting to get retuned. So...Had the car retuned and Dyno'd by Jeremy Formato today. Needless to say I am very pleased with the results. The car is amazing fun to drive and the tune feels great.
I'd have no issue daily driving this car now when before the mere thought of starting it would make me sick at the stomach.
Now to the meat of it. This cam rocks! 404hp and 376 ft-lbs !!
Was told the car really wanted more to breath up top and a Fast92/ TB was suggested for the future. That's bad *** for stock 241 heads IMO. Now just need to get the thing to the track and see what it really does.
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06-24-2015, 11:39 PM
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That is very solid cam only numbers on stock 241 heads. Congrats! Mid 11's for 1/4 time?
06-25-2015, 06:25 PM
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Dunno why he waited so long to start the run. Even still ,I think we would be talking 5 or so rwtq.
I do have one question about peak power rpm. Shouldn't it have made peak hp closer to 6400? As it sits it made peak at 6200 so we set shift points at 6400.
I do have one question about peak power rpm. Shouldn't it have made peak hp closer to 6400? As it sits it made peak at 6200 so we set shift points at 6400.
07-02-2015, 10:03 AM
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With a 44 ABDC @.050" IVC event, stock heads and a long runner LS EFI intake it peaked right where it should peak.
That said, if you're shifting at 6400rpm you're selling yourself incredibly short. When asked where to shift by customers, I always instruct them to shift their engine at the RPM it produces 20-30rwhp less than it did at the RPM it produced peak HP. This is a good starting point, and 6 speed equipped combo's tend to want an even higher RPM shift point as they drop much more RPM with each gear change.
In your case this would be at least 6600rpm, but since the pull was stopped there you cannot judge where to best shift by looking at your graph.
Based on experience with that cam, it's going to want at least a 6600rpm shift point if not 6800rpm.
Customer of mine that is a tuner gave me some data the other day that I use to illustrate to customers how important it is to shift their vehicle in the way that I instruct them to do so.
His customer bought a cam from us through him(so customer of my customer) and it is a custom 233/236 113+3. It's in a C5 6 speed corvette and is "cam only". The car would not trap faster than 112-113mph no matter what they did to the tune. They were shifting into 4th gear about 100-150' before the traps which resulted in the engine only reaching 6300rpm when the vehicle crossed the finish line.
The tuner raised the rev limiter to 6900rpm and left it in 3rd gear instead of shifting into 4th like they had been doing. The result? 115-116mph all day long.
Moral of the story is keep your engine in its powerband!!!
That said, if you're shifting at 6400rpm you're selling yourself incredibly short. When asked where to shift by customers, I always instruct them to shift their engine at the RPM it produces 20-30rwhp less than it did at the RPM it produced peak HP. This is a good starting point, and 6 speed equipped combo's tend to want an even higher RPM shift point as they drop much more RPM with each gear change.
In your case this would be at least 6600rpm, but since the pull was stopped there you cannot judge where to best shift by looking at your graph.
Based on experience with that cam, it's going to want at least a 6600rpm shift point if not 6800rpm.
Customer of mine that is a tuner gave me some data the other day that I use to illustrate to customers how important it is to shift their vehicle in the way that I instruct them to do so.
His customer bought a cam from us through him(so customer of my customer) and it is a custom 233/236 113+3. It's in a C5 6 speed corvette and is "cam only". The car would not trap faster than 112-113mph no matter what they did to the tune. They were shifting into 4th gear about 100-150' before the traps which resulted in the engine only reaching 6300rpm when the vehicle crossed the finish line.
The tuner raised the rev limiter to 6900rpm and left it in 3rd gear instead of shifting into 4th like they had been doing. The result? 115-116mph all day long.
Moral of the story is keep your engine in its powerband!!!
07-02-2015, 05:34 PM
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Good info there Martin. Ty for the clarification.
Tbh not sure why the shifts were set at 6400 besides going by the 200rpm past peak power train of thought. That's why I posed the question about shift points.
Looks like I need to get those shifts higher and set some money aside to get a built tranny.
Tbh not sure why the shifts were set at 6400 besides going by the 200rpm past peak power train of thought. That's why I posed the question about shift points.
Looks like I need to get those shifts higher and set some money aside to get a built tranny.
07-19-2015, 09:03 PM
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Nothing to brag about but I did take care to track and run it for a couple passes just to get a feel for where it's at. Literally rolled it off the street and ran it on cheap Nexen radials. Even left 2 folding chairs in the trunk. Weather was terrible to race in. Everyone was claiming .5 slower ets. Only prep I did was lower rear tires to 28lbs.
Run #1 12.79@109.82 on a 2.1 60ft. Da 2700 ft Left real soft not wanting to blow tires off.
Run #2 12.50@110.1 on a 1.86 60ft. Da 2900ft. On junk radials that's a damn good launch just rolling into throttle fast.
Better air, better tires and shifting higher than 6400(as it is atm) I have no doubt the car will go 11s.
Run #1 12.79@109.82 on a 2.1 60ft. Da 2700 ft Left real soft not wanting to blow tires off.
Run #2 12.50@110.1 on a 1.86 60ft. Da 2900ft. On junk radials that's a damn good launch just rolling into throttle fast.
Better air, better tires and shifting higher than 6400(as it is atm) I have no doubt the car will go 11s.
07-19-2015, 09:09 PM
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I installed this cam on my 2004 A4 GTO. Along with the cam I installed a Meiling oil pump, LS2 Timing chain, BTR .660 springs, and pushrods. I have had a few tuning issues but my tuner and I are slowly working through it. Along with the cam I have Pacesetter LTs, Circle D 278mm 3200 converter, 3 inch exhaust, built 4L60 and a DSS driveshaft. The heads, intake, TB, pulleys etc are all stock. I am in South Texas (15 minutes north of Mexico) so it was dyno tuned in and constantly driven in about 105 degree weather. It is my daily driver and runs pretty smooth. It turns off on me, and sputters every now and then but like I said I'm working this out with my tuner. The car is a stock weight 04 A4 GTO, and I have run a best of a 12.46 @110 with 26x9x15 slicks. This Friday I ran it with a 75 shot through a single nozzle wet shot and ran an 11.84 @116 with the same slicks and weight, a gallon of race gas, cold plugs, and similar weather to the 12.46 pass. I'm not sure if this is about right for the mods I have but it's getting there.
Overall I love this cam, it chops hard, and pulls really hard. The customer service at Tick was top notch and they answered all the questions I had. I'm thinking of having the guys over at Tick custom spec me a nitrous cam next! Feel free to ask me any other questions, that's all I could think of for now.
Here is a link to an idle clip when I had a 3 in X pipe with dual 3 in Dynomax bullets dumped.
Tick SNS Stage 2 cam Version (Regular/Mild):Regular
Heads: Stock
Ported? If yes, by who?:
Chamber size: Stock
Head gasket: Stock
Flycut? if so, how much?:
Exhaust, intake mods: Stock intake, stock TB, Pacesetter LTs, Catless 3 in Y pipe, 3 in Dynomax Bullet
Rear gears: stock 3.46
Dyno HP/TQ:355/352
Type of dyno? (i.e. mustang, dynojet):
Track Times and Speed: 12.46@110 1.72 60ft N/A, 11.84@116 1.63 60ft on a 75 shot. Both on Hoosier QTP 26x9x15 slicks
Overall I love this cam, it chops hard, and pulls really hard. The customer service at Tick was top notch and they answered all the questions I had. I'm thinking of having the guys over at Tick custom spec me a nitrous cam next! Feel free to ask me any other questions, that's all I could think of for now.
Here is a link to an idle clip when I had a 3 in X pipe with dual 3 in Dynomax bullets dumped.
Tick SNS Stage 2 cam Version (Regular/Mild):Regular
Heads: Stock
Ported? If yes, by who?:
Chamber size: Stock
Head gasket: Stock
Flycut? if so, how much?:
Exhaust, intake mods: Stock intake, stock TB, Pacesetter LTs, Catless 3 in Y pipe, 3 in Dynomax Bullet
Rear gears: stock 3.46
Dyno HP/TQ:355/352
Type of dyno? (i.e. mustang, dynojet):
Track Times and Speed: 12.46@110 1.72 60ft N/A, 11.84@116 1.63 60ft on a 75 shot. Both on Hoosier QTP 26x9x15 slicks
09-13-2015, 07:46 PM
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The ls2 grind will support higher rpm power and make a little less low end torque. Both very good cams. You're only talking 4 degrees on the intake. Not a huge change.
11-08-2015, 04:18 PM
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Back from the dead with a new update
Took the car to the track and posted a new PB of 11.97@113.4.
Keep in mind this is full weight with Et Streets. Also, the shift points are still set at 6400 which is not optimal. Installing a strange 12 bolt this week but doubt I'll take it to track before end of season. Shift points will be bumped up when we adjust for new rear gears. I hope to be in 11.7 or so after rear and shift point adjustment.
Took the car to the track and posted a new PB of 11.97@113.4.
Keep in mind this is full weight with Et Streets. Also, the shift points are still set at 6400 which is not optimal. Installing a strange 12 bolt this week but doubt I'll take it to track before end of season. Shift points will be bumped up when we adjust for new rear gears. I hope to be in 11.7 or so after rear and shift point adjustment.
11-09-2015, 03:39 PM
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Back from the dead with a new update
Took the car to the track and posted a new PB of 11.97@113.4.
Keep in mind this is full weight with Et Streets. Also, the shift points are still set at 6400 which is not optimal. Installing a strange 12 bolt this week but doubt I'll take it to track before end of season. Shift points will be bumped up when we adjust for new rear gears. I hope to be in 11.7 or so after rear and shift point adjustment.
Took the car to the track and posted a new PB of 11.97@113.4.
Keep in mind this is full weight with Et Streets. Also, the shift points are still set at 6400 which is not optimal. Installing a strange 12 bolt this week but doubt I'll take it to track before end of season. Shift points will be bumped up when we adjust for new rear gears. I hope to be in 11.7 or so after rear and shift point adjustment.
Keep us updated!
11-24-2015, 08:30 PM
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Has anyone run this cam with AI 219 HCR heads with a chamber size around 60.5? I purchased my SNS2 with all the necessities earlier this month. Since then I picked up a cheap set of 241's on craigslist and plan on sending them to AI next week. They suggested a 60.5 cc chamber and said that would be around 11:1. I've been searching for the past day but can't find much information on this combo. Do you guys see any clearance issues?