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Old Jun 4, 2004 | 10:46 AM
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Mike, I have a good camcorder that we can use, Sony something or another Let me know when, and I am sure Nic or someone can rip them for us. GOTTA get some bottle runs, if I can hold onto the camera well enough
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Old Jun 4, 2004 | 10:49 AM
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By the way, I got that Katech/Thunder adjustable tensioner yesterday and put it on last night. Went out and tested it out.... belt stayed on fine!!!! MY GOD my car hauls! It just pulls, and pulls, and pulls, amazing! I can put it in 2nd, and be at 2000 rpm and hammer it and the tires just bust loose, sooo cool
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Old Jun 4, 2004 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Orange Peel
By the way, I got that Katech/Thunder adjustable tensioner yesterday and put it on last night. Went out and tested it out.... belt stayed on fine!!!! MY GOD my car hauls! It just pulls, and pulls, and pulls, amazing! I can put it in 2nd, and be at 2000 rpm and hammer it and the tires just bust loose, sooo cool
thats BS! You must work for LG!
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Old Jun 4, 2004 | 01:40 PM
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You caught me red handed, dipping into their payroll, ****, now how am I gonna fund my new motor, etc?
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Old Jun 4, 2004 | 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by SSOnYourSix
Maybe more, however... mine all run. Im not going to turn this into a whos better pissing match, but if you feel cylinder head pressure is in no relation to rod bolts or rod bearings then you need to do a little more reading up... ive had 4 times as many cars die from nitrous on stock cam cars with stock redlines, or from just beating up the car on a stock redline setup than I have from my X3 guys going to 7000 rpm. You have no proof either way so I dont see hte point in filling the public with lies like 7000 rpm will blow the engine apart.

Oh, and FYI... my car regularly sees 7000 rpm
Nitrous blows motors for a different reason than RPM does. Seriously, do a search in this section and read all the posts about spun rod bearings, broken rods, and holes in motors from revving to 7000+rpm. I'm not filling anyone with anything but proven facts. Shoot talk to several sponsors...they'll tell you the same thing. I do have proof that high cylinder pressures dont stress the rod bolts much if anymore than stock...its called simple physics. Remember though, you do have stronger bolts than do guys with older motors, so you may get away with it for longer. With the rod pivoting from the wrist pin and the crank throw, side load forces arent really relevant. Even if there were side load forces involved, they would be sheer loads, not tensile. Ever see worn engine bearings??? When was the last time you saw them worn on the ends, rather than in the center? Also, for the record, higher static compression helps an engine "absorb" a bigger cam...Regardless of octane rating. You shouldnt be pulling timing at idle, especially since the dynamic compression ratio is really low with that cam.
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Old Jun 4, 2004 | 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Orange Peel
Yeah you flycut the pistons, because you are running the X3 on a 112 and are usingg big heads with larger valves, but Bryce has the smaller X2 and GTP heads, so he doesn't need to flycut, I am sure if he had the X3 112, he would have. As for the specs, I know what you mean I have an idea what they are
I ran the G5X2 on stock heads and all my exhaust valves made smilley faces.
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Old Jun 4, 2004 | 07:47 PM
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That's odd, something must have happened, like over revved, valve float or something, the bigger X3 doesn't touch the pistons.

Didn't you just post you had valve float?
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Old Jun 4, 2004 | 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Orange Peel
That's odd, something must have happened, like over revved, valve float or something, the bigger X3 doesn't touch the pistons.

Didn't you just post you had valve float?
Yes that is my post. The valve float is with my new heads. The stock heads had Rev dual springs, we fly cut the pistons any way since I went to bigger valves.
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Old Jun 4, 2004 | 07:56 PM
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Do think you had some float then too?
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Old Jun 4, 2004 | 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Orange Peel
Do think you had some float then too?
? the dyno curve was good to 6800rpm, I might of missed a few shifts.
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Old Jun 4, 2004 | 08:09 PM
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So it wasn't the cam then, it helped because it was big, but the reason your pistons got eyebrowed was due to miss shifts, etc. No bagging on you at all, just letting others know why.
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Old Jun 4, 2004 | 08:46 PM
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I love my X-2 cam in my car, and in the year I have owned it I have never had anyone ask me the specs on the cam.( I knew them all along)
They just comment on how sick my car sounds and want to know what is done.

Several people have PM'ed me about the graphs I have for my car and my friends Z06 and if anyone else wants them let me know. maybe someone can host them and throw 'em in the thread.

Ben
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Old Jun 4, 2004 | 08:52 PM
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I'd like to see your graph on the X2
Also, where in NC are you?
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Old Jun 4, 2004 | 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by MyLS1Hauls
Nitrous blows motors for a different reason than RPM does. Seriously, do a search in this section and read all the posts about spun rod bearings, broken rods, and holes in motors from revving to 7000+rpm. I'm not filling anyone with anything but proven facts. Shoot talk to several sponsors...they'll tell you the same thing. I do have proof that high cylinder pressures dont stress the rod bolts much if anymore than stock...its called simple physics. Remember though, you do have stronger bolts than do guys with older motors, so you may get away with it for longer. With the rod pivoting from the wrist pin and the crank throw, side load forces arent really relevant. Even if there were side load forces involved, they would be sheer loads, not tensile. Ever see worn engine bearings??? When was the last time you saw them worn on the ends, rather than in the center? Also, for the record, higher static compression helps an engine "absorb" a bigger cam...Regardless of octane rating. You shouldnt be pulling timing at idle, especially since the dynamic compression ratio is really low with that cam.
Id like to see your proof... you dont run the cam, you dont rev to 7000 rpm, you obviously havent had any of my work done on your car... However every one of my customers seems to be fine with 7000 rpm... the fastest LS1 FBody in AZ has 78,000 miles and regularly sees 7000 rpm, has made TONS of 10 second passes etc on a stock 99 bottom end...

Simple fact is you have no idea, your proof is what other people say, their proof is what others say, which is heresay. Keep in mind 50% of this board probably cant even change their own oil, and for them to make an assumption on why their engine locked up without any outside help is purely based on opinions by others with no mechanical knowledge. People insist they are right by "laws of physics" or by what "should work"... however anyone will tell you that you cant just slap an equation out, or think out a master plan in your head and have it be factual because there are too many possibilities for differences in each system. I am by no means the master LS1 builder, however I have had my share of blown engines, tearing down others engines, seeing problems up close etc... and I will tell you this... so far 7000 RPM has not yet been the cause for ANY. I blew 2 engines in my 98 Z28 and the car had a rev limiter set to 6400 rpm...

What it comes down to is you cant just pin revving to 7000 rpm on blowing engines up... there are too many other factors involved and unfortunatly you are blinded by your own ignorance and insist what you say goes without trying it for yourself...
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Old Jun 4, 2004 | 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by hydfixer
I ran the G5X2 on stock heads and all my exhaust valves made smilley faces.
I would say installation error or lack of proper valvesprings... but then again blame my 100% success rate with the G5 cams for my questioning that comment I guess
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Old Jun 4, 2004 | 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by hydfixer
Yes that is my post. The valve float is with my new heads. The stock heads had Rev dual springs, we fly cut the pistons any way since I went to bigger valves.
The Revs arent supposed to go beyond 580 lift on stock heads from what Rev said... when I called to warranty springs they told me the springs werent meant for the G5 cams, which is why Lou stopped putting them in the packages im sure...
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Old Jun 4, 2004 | 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Ben01C5
I love my X-2 cam in my car, and in the year I have owned it I have never had anyone ask me the specs on the cam.( I knew them all along)
They just comment on how sick my car sounds and want to know what is done.

Several people have PM'ed me about the graphs I have for my car and my friends Z06 and if anyone else wants them let me know. maybe someone can host them and throw 'em in the thread.

Ben
Another one that sees things how I do

I find it funny how the only people ragging on the G5 cams DONT own one... yet all the people with them rave about them... Do I detect some internet jealousy from non G5 cam owners?
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Old Jun 5, 2004 | 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by SSOnYourSix
Another one that sees things how I do

I find it funny how the only people ragging on the G5 cams DONT own one... yet all the people with them rave about them... Do I detect some internet jealousy from non G5 cam owners?
You say that some poeple are blinded. Perhaps you are too
No one here bashed the X2 or X3. The are really good power cams.

The point you are missing is some of us know from experience that these cams to be done properly, have to have a stronger bottom end than a stock LS1, especialy the pre-01.

We just don't agree to put them on a stock bottom, that is all.
Show me one thread that says X2 or X3 are crap.
You won't because we never said so.

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"you don't own one, you don't know what you're talking about".
Do you need to be infected with a disease to know it's bad for you??
If so human kind would be the dumbest specie on earth.

You believe and "we" believe.

I want and X2 114 for my forged 347, but I wouldn't put it on my stock 01.
What some of us would like however is a dyno graph of the X2,
Myself I would prefer a graph with a 114 on an A4.
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Old Jun 5, 2004 | 11:24 AM
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Your payroll checks are in the mail

Along with your cam card.

How did I Miss this whole thread? I must work too hard. Thanks to all who have tried our parts. We work hard to raise the bar. In racing we always say," If we are standing still, we are falling behind".

So with this in mind, we want to say that the sign up sheet for LG promoters will be mailed to you. We must have a current ID, and a boarding pass before you qualify to go to the gate. But if you are a 80 year old woman, you must submit to a body search. (god, what a thought). But if you are a 80 year old woman with a G5X-3 cam, you will be moved to the head of the line.

Drive slow.

Lou Gigliotti LGM
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Old Jun 5, 2004 | 01:49 PM
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Thanks everyone on this thread. I just ordered my G5x3 2 days ago and its in the mail. I cant wait to get it in the car and see the new numbers. I'm getting my car dynoed tomorrow before it goes in and ill let everyone know the gain it made. And thanks to chris at LG for being fast and very nice. Thats what i call customer service. Thanks everyone
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