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A woman' thoughts on the subject of cam specs.
Originally Posted by LG Motorsports
PS, I think most of the questions have been answered except for the specs, and I don't know them. I even kept them secret from myself so I wouldn't slip. LG
Originally Posted by CANNIBAL
If you have to have the specs then you'll have it cam doctored. That's the only way you'll know.
Humm…..I am really curious as to way you haven’t released the cam specs. I know it has been said “so the competition can’t copy it”. But we all know they can buy one and have it tested out, something that is not so easy for an individual customer to do. So I’m not trying to bash anyone here, but it is really curious to me as to why. It seams like the specs are just being kept from the customer. Not saying it is so, .... but this is just so curious to me. If a company copied someone else’s cam, they may not want to release the specs on that cam so the customer wouldn’t know it was a copy. Just a thought….humm….for instance, how different are the T-Rex dyno charts from the dynos of the G5 cams….I’m sure that isn’t the case here…..but one should see some of the questions that can come up when companies keep secrets from their customers.
BTW Comp Cams will not cut a cam that matches another company’s cam!! Just call and ask them.
I really am not trying to bash anyone here, just sharing some of my thoughts on the subject. I am one who likes to know everything that is going on in my car, and when someone is not willing to tell me what I have bought, it makes me wonder why.
I am not one who ever takes anyone’s word for anything. Just ask my husband, it drives him crazy sometimes. So obviously I wouldn’t buy this or any other cam without knowing all the specs on it. I like to know what I am getting. But then, not everyone thinks the same way as I do.
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Originally Posted by CANNIBAL
If you have to have the specs then you'll have it cam doctored. That's the only way you'll know.
Im going to have mine done. I wont give out the specs but i just want to build the right heads for this cam. kinda hard without the specs.
Originally Posted by Lady Redhawk
Humm…..I am really curious as to way you haven’t released the cam specs. I know it has been said “so the competition can’t copy it”. But we all know they can buy one and have it tested out, something that is not so easy for an individual customer to do. So I’m not trying to bash anyone here, but it is really curious to me as to why. It seams like the specs are just being kept from the customer. Not saying it is so, .... but this is just so curious to me. If a company copied someone else’s cam, they may not want to release the specs on that cam so the customer wouldn’t know it was a copy. Just a thought….humm….for instance, how different are the T-Rex dyno charts from the dynos of the G5 cams….I’m sure that isn’t the case here…..but one should see some of the questions that can come up when companies keep secrets from their customers.
BTW Comp Cams will not cut a cam that matches another company’s cam!! Just call and ask them.
I really am not trying to bash anyone here, just sharing some of my thoughts on the subject. I am one who likes to know everything that is going on in my car, and when someone is not willing to tell me what I have bought, it makes me wonder why.
I am not one who ever takes anyone’s word for anything. Just ask my husband, it drives him crazy sometimes. So obviously I wouldn’t buy this or any other cam without knowing all the specs on it. I like to know what I am getting. But then, not everyone thinks the same way as I do.
Also why are you so set on knowing the specs? Many people use the cam and I have yet to see anyone say "You know, I love my cam, but I think its dynoing 50 horsepower low because I dont know the specs"... Why dont you call Jay at Absolute Speed and ask him how he ports his heads, or FAST and ask them how they built their intake manifold... its just info that you really dont need.... the ONLY exception being if you are building a ground up race car and parting together many different pieces, then I Think Lou will help you out. Honestly, if I was him I probably wouldnt tell either, mainly because if one of the LG Haters got ahold of the specs they would be all over the internet in a minute!
Originally Posted by ICONZ28
Im going to have mine done. I wont give out the specs but i just want to build the right heads for this cam. kinda hard without the specs.
Oh, and Im on his payroll now too by the way!
Lou, Jay... when can I expect those checks?
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Did a search on G5X2 to see some dyno graphs. Found a couple but was a little dissapointed with the output of that cam on an A4. The highest i could find put out 428 hp H/C + boltons. On the average it was in the neighbourhood of 380/390, and one was as low as 378 cam only (running way rich though).
With specs like the X2 I was expecting closer to the 440 range (H/C + all bolt ons).
Was that cam designed as an M6 cam?
With specs like the X2 I was expecting closer to the 440 range (H/C + all bolt ons).
Was that cam designed as an M6 cam?
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Originally Posted by SSOnYourSix
Well considering the G5X3 was out first I hardly doubt LG copied the TRex... in addition the G5X3 is a streetable cam that is close to the drivability of stock, where as the T-Rex requires higher gearing and is pretty gutless below a certain RPM... not to mention the Trex makes much more power... Its a purpose built cam where as the G5X3 combines power, drivability and reliablilty... but it wont make the power of the T-rex.
Originally Posted by SSOnYourSix
Also why are you so set on knowing the specs?
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Lou has stated before that he will upon request share the specs of his cam with a purchaser. The only request is not to share the specs publically. I know what his specs are (we have one in Tommy's (3gun) car), but like most other folks I have agreed not to share those specs in a public forum.
The T-REX and the G5X2 and G5X3 are different. Different vendors have different ways of getting things done.
I agree its important to know your cams specs from both determining how it will work with your combo, but also to ensure you degree your cam correctly. I'm sure Lou can do whatever it take to make you happy.
BTW, any cam can be cam doctored at many shops, and thus the secret specs are not secret for very long. The competing shops know what other folks are doing, but it is a unspoken gentleman's understanding that folks don't go out and post other shops specs.
The T-REX and the G5X2 and G5X3 are different. Different vendors have different ways of getting things done.
I agree its important to know your cams specs from both determining how it will work with your combo, but also to ensure you degree your cam correctly. I'm sure Lou can do whatever it take to make you happy.
BTW, any cam can be cam doctored at many shops, and thus the secret specs are not secret for very long. The competing shops know what other folks are doing, but it is a unspoken gentleman's understanding that folks don't go out and post other shops specs.
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J-Rod, thank-you for being patient with me and for your honest response to my questions.
And if what you say is true, that is great and no need for any more comment on the subject.
You said:
There are 13 pages in this thread and the only response so far from Lou about cam specs that I have found is:
I’m sure he was just joking about that though.
You also wrote:
That has been my point all along. So whom is he keeping the specs from? Obviously not the competing shops……..
I guess in all honesty it is just a sales gimmick and nothing more than that.
And if what you say is true, that is great and no need for any more comment on the subject.
You said:
Originally Posted by J-Rod
Lou has stated before that he will upon request share the specs of his cam with a purchaser. .
Originally Posted by LG Motorsports
PS, I think most of the questions have been answered except for the specs, and I don't know them. I even kept them secret from myself so I wouldn't slip. LG
You also wrote:
Originally Posted by J-Rod
BTW, any cam can be cam doctored at many shops, and thus the secret specs are not secret for very long. The competing shops know what other folks are doing, but it is a unspoken gentleman's understanding that folks don't go out and post other shops specs.
I guess in all honesty it is just a sales gimmick and nothing more than that.
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Originally Posted by Lady Redhawk
I guess in all honesty it is just a sales gimmick and nothing more than that.
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Most shops won't copy one anothers cam specs, as it doesn't show them to be innovative in any way shape or form, and it ends to lend to cast the "copying shop" in a negative light. I.E. Thunder Racing isn't going to copy LG, and vice versa.
So, that leaves the individual. So, you as the individual can go take Lou's specs (if you have them), call Comp cams, and "clone" the LG cam. So, you've taken all his R&D efforts time, etc... and benefitted from them for free.
Thats why specs aren't public, because there are individuals who will take those specs, state that Lou is charging too much, and get a cam on the cheap. Then if it doesn't make power then they will badmouth Lou's cam even though it really isn't his cam, its their attempt at copying.
Folks get wrapped up in the "bigger is better" school of cam design rather than designing an optimal cam for your specific combo.
So, that leaves the individual. So, you as the individual can go take Lou's specs (if you have them), call Comp cams, and "clone" the LG cam. So, you've taken all his R&D efforts time, etc... and benefitted from them for free.
Thats why specs aren't public, because there are individuals who will take those specs, state that Lou is charging too much, and get a cam on the cheap. Then if it doesn't make power then they will badmouth Lou's cam even though it really isn't his cam, its their attempt at copying.
Folks get wrapped up in the "bigger is better" school of cam design rather than designing an optimal cam for your specific combo.
Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
If the X3 is installed as cam only (stock heads). What are it's effects on stock lifters??
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Originally Posted by SSOnYourSix
As JRod said, and as ive said earlier, if you REALLY needed the specs im sure he would tell you... but it just seems like most on here just want the specs to start a fight.
If he tells all his customers what the spec are when they buy the cam, then that is fine, but someone said on here that they don’t even get a cam card with it. Hope they don’t ever want to resell the cam, and Lou is always available even years down the road. Like I said, I am just baffled by all this.
Originally Posted by J-Rod
So, you as the individual can go take Lou's specs (if you have them), call Comp cams, and "clone" the LG cam. So, you've taken all his R&D efforts time, etc... and benefitted from them for free. .
To me free enterprise is the ability to be able to shop and compare, if LG doesn’t want the customer to be able to do that, that is his right. But to me, I would call that a sales gimmick. If his customer’s don’t mind, it is none of my business, I myself would never do that though, just in case he wants to know.
When i ordered my X3 back in December i asked Lou for the specs but he did not give them to me. Like stated on here already i would like to know the specs simply for knowing what is in my motor, not to go blab all over the internet and start a pissing match with everyone. IMO even if you would know the specs i don't beleive you could go to any company and get the same cam cut, what about knowing ramp rates, lobe shape, ICL etc. Also i beleive that most Ls1 owners will spend their money with the sponsors anyways, afterall they are the ones doing the R&D and keep the progress moving forward on these LSX motors.
As for my X3 cam i am very happy with the power it's making and how it drives. I would definately recomend 4.10 gears for this cam, i drove around with the stock gears for a few weeks and then put in the 4.10's and it is way more responsive.
So Lou if you read this, feel free to PM the specs on this beast, i know it's a longshot, but hey maybe your in a good mood today.
I have an idea of what it is but i'm not 100% sure.
As for my X3 cam i am very happy with the power it's making and how it drives. I would definately recomend 4.10 gears for this cam, i drove around with the stock gears for a few weeks and then put in the 4.10's and it is way more responsive.
So Lou if you read this, feel free to PM the specs on this beast, i know it's a longshot, but hey maybe your in a good mood today.
I have an idea of what it is but i'm not 100% sure. 
Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
Does Lou do mail PCM tunes?
Originally Posted by CANNIBAL
If you have to have the specs then you'll have it cam doctored. That's the only way you'll know.
