Humm…..I am really curious as to way you haven’t released the cam specs. I know it has been said “so the competition can’t copy it”. But we all know they can buy one and have it tested out, something that is not so easy for an individual customer to do. So I’m not trying to bash anyone here, but it is really curious to me as to why. It seams like the specs are just being kept from the customer. Not saying it is so, .... but this is just so curious to me. If a company copied someone else’s cam, they may not want to release the specs on that cam so the customer wouldn’t know it was a copy. Just a thought….humm….for instance, how different are the T-Rex dyno charts from the dynos of the G5 cams….I’m sure that isn’t the case here…..but one should see some of the questions that can come up when companies keep secrets from their customers.



BTW Comp Cams will not cut a cam that matches another company’s cam!! Just call and ask them.



I really am not trying to bash anyone here, just sharing some of my thoughts on the subject. I am one who likes to know everything that is going on in my car, and when someone is not willing to tell me what I have bought, it makes me wonder why.


I am not one who ever takes anyone’s word for anything. Just ask my husband, it drives him crazy sometimes. So obviously I wouldn’t buy this or any other cam without knowing all the specs on it. I like to know what I am getting. But then, not everyone thinks the same way as I do.

 

Im going to have mine done. I wont give out the specs but i just want to build the right heads for this cam. kinda hard without the specs.

 

Well considering the G5X3 was out first I hardly doubt LG copied the TRex... in addition the G5X3 is a streetable cam that is close to the drivability of stock, where as the T-Rex requires higher gearing and is pretty gutless below a certain RPM... not to mention the Trex makes much more power... Its a purpose built cam where as the G5X3 combines power, drivability and reliablilty... but it wont make the power of the T-rex.

Also why are you so set on knowing the specs? Many people use the cam and I have yet to see anyone say "You know, I love my cam, but I think its dynoing 50 horsepower low because I dont know the specs"... Why dont you call Jay at Absolute Speed and ask him how he ports his heads, or FAST and ask them how they built their intake manifold... its just info that you really dont need.... the ONLY exception being if you are building a ground up race car and parting together many different pieces, then I Think Lou will help you out. Honestly, if I was him I probably wouldnt tell either, mainly because if one of the LG Haters got ahold of the specs they would be all over the internet in a minute!

 

Icon, just talk to Jay at Absolute, he will build you an awesome set that match the cam! Ive already installed a few sets of his heads and I will tell you they are TOP NOTCH and of all the heads ive done they are the cleanest!

Oh, and Im on his payroll now too by the way!

Lou, Jay... when can I expect those checks?

 

Did a search on G5X2 to see some dyno graphs. Found a couple but was a little dissapointed with the output of that cam on an A4. The highest i could find put out 428 hp H/C + boltons. On the average it was in the neighbourhood of 380/390, and one was as low as 378 cam only (running way rich though).
With specs like the X2 I was expecting closer to the 440 range (H/C + all bolt ons).

Was that cam designed as an M6 cam?

 

As you know, I just picked the T-Rex cam randomly to make a point. You can substitute any one of the MANY offered for the LS1s and still get my point. BTW, I have a friend with the T-Rex, and with stock gears and stock tuning he had no problems with it. Not even stalling at idle. It is a M6 though.

I don’t know…. I have over $30,000.00 invested in my Firehawk, I like to know everything going on with it. I have modded the car little by little along the way. A lot has changed since I first bought my car. New and different mods are now available that weren’t even thought of 3 years ago. This has always been my "dream car" I don’t ever plan on selling it. Now a few years from now, what if LG is not around any more, and I want to do more to my car. Maybe change it out for a new motor, how will I know if this cam will even work in a new set up. There are so many reasons to need to know what you have in the heart of your engine, I can’t even list them all here. I would think it would be just good ol common sense to know your cam specs.

 

Lou has stated before that he will upon request share the specs of his cam with a purchaser. The only request is not to share the specs publically. I know what his specs are (we have one in Tommy's (3gun) car), but like most other folks I have agreed not to share those specs in a public forum.

The T-REX and the G5X2 and G5X3 are different. Different vendors have different ways of getting things done.

I agree its important to know your cams specs from both determining how it will work with your combo, but also to ensure you degree your cam correctly. I'm sure Lou can do whatever it take to make you happy.

BTW, any cam can be cam doctored at many shops, and thus the secret specs are not secret for very long. The competing shops know what other folks are doing, but it is a unspoken gentleman's understanding that folks don't go out and post other shops specs.

 

J-Rod, thank-you for being patient with me and for your honest response to my questions.

And if what you say is true, that is great and no need for any more comment on the subject.

You said:

There are 13 pages in this thread and the only response so far from Lou about cam specs that I have found is:

I’m sure he was just joking about that though.

You also wrote:

That has been my point all along. So whom is he keeping the specs from? Obviously not the competing shops……..



I guess in all honesty it is just a sales gimmick and nothing more than that.

 

I dont see how... HE just doesnt want others knowing the specs... how is that a gimmick? 95% of the people bitching to know about his cam specs have no interest in buying it, they only wish to compare to what they have, then bash him in the internet with things such as "its not much bigger than my XXX cam so I bet mine makes more power" or "its way bigger than my XXX cam so I Bet it drives like crap and has no low end". The remaining 5% are actual engine builders and plan on using his cam to design a system around... As JRod said, and as ive said earlier, if you REALLY needed the specs im sure he would tell you... but it just seems like most on here just want the specs to start a fight.

 

Most shops won't copy one anothers cam specs, as it doesn't show them to be innovative in any way shape or form, and it ends to lend to cast the "copying shop" in a negative light. I.E. Thunder Racing isn't going to copy LG, and vice versa.

So, that leaves the individual. So, you as the individual can go take Lou's specs (if you have them), call Comp cams, and "clone" the LG cam. So, you've taken all his R&D efforts time, etc... and benefitted from them for free.

Thats why specs aren't public, because there are individuals who will take those specs, state that Lou is charging too much, and get a cam on the cheap. Then if it doesn't make power then they will badmouth Lou's cam even though it really isn't his cam, its their attempt at copying.

Folks get wrapped up in the "bigger is better" school of cam design rather than designing an optimal cam for your specific combo.

 

If the X3 is installed as cam only (stock heads). What are it's effects on stock lifters??

 

Most of the guys out here have over 75K miles on their car with the cam... Lou said the stockers were fine, but if the heads were off I would put some new stock ones in... But on my dyno a couple weeks ago it was still strong at 7000 rpm with very little falling off... so im convinced hes right!

 

Does Lou do mail PCM tunes?

 

I was just baffled when I heard that people were buying cams without knowing what the cam was and I was trying to understand why. Not trying to start a fight. And without a doubt there is no way I would ever buy a cam without knowing what the specs were and I am not an "engine builder" just an average ls1 owner.

If he tells all his customers what the spec are when they buy the cam, then that is fine, but someone said on here that they don’t even get a cam card with it. Hope they don’t ever want to resell the cam, and Lou is always available even years down the road. Like I said, I am just baffled by all this.

If Comp Cams are making a cam for a company they will not make that same cam for an individual.

To me free enterprise is the ability to be able to shop and compare, if LG doesn’t want the customer to be able to do that, that is his right. But to me, I would call that a sales gimmick. If his customer’s don’t mind, it is none of my business, I myself would never do that though, just in case he wants to know.

 

When i ordered my X3 back in December i asked Lou for the specs but he did not give them to me. Like stated on here already i would like to know the specs simply for knowing what is in my motor, not to go blab all over the internet and start a pissing match with everyone. IMO even if you would know the specs i don't beleive you could go to any company and get the same cam cut, what about knowing ramp rates, lobe shape, ICL etc. Also i beleive that most Ls1 owners will spend their money with the sponsors anyways, afterall they are the ones doing the R&D and keep the progress moving forward on these LSX motors.

As for my X3 cam i am very happy with the power it's making and how it drives. I would definately recomend 4.10 gears for this cam, i drove around with the stock gears for a few weeks and then put in the 4.10's and it is way more responsive.

So Lou if you read this, feel free to PM the specs on this beast, i know it's a longshot, but hey maybe your in a good mood today. I have an idea of what it is but i'm not 100% sure.

 

anyone know the price for the G5X2 cam only(no springs,bolts, gaskets,etc)?

 

Yes. I got a mail-order tune. But that was only because I had to break in my new clutch too. I recommend getting it dyno tuned instead.

 

I got mine for $400 + shipping back in December.

 

Cam doctored? I don't know what that is supposed to mean?

 

It means you put it on a machine that will measure the specs of the cam and tell them to you