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Old Nov 23, 2018 | 07:10 AM
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cracked flexplate possibly?
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Old Nov 23, 2018 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Dylan1214
Bro.. Not trying to be mean but you may wanna take her into a shop or do some extensive research. You obviously don't know what your talking about or what you need to be looking for. Yes you can see a few of the cam bearings from the valley cover if you pull the cam.. But not a chance you'll be able to see the crank bearings.

And bearings don't fall off
that's what I thought. I've never heard of a cam bearing knocking ... or any bearing that knocks I've taken apart and put it back to get twice now. And I do know what I'm talking about . What I'm looking for is something that causing my knocking sound. It's nothing to do with the bottom end as I mentioned. So i dont need to pull the oil pan to chack any of the rod and main bearing there ... I replaced the pushrods with correct length, lifters, didn't touch oil o ring. New retainer plate, new (3 times over) exhaust manifold gaskets. Looking for tips. Yes I know exactly what I'm doing.
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Old Nov 23, 2018 | 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Dylan Latshaw
ok I'll check the senser. I can check the bearings thought the valley cover right?
I want to see you get your car sorted out and you have some fun with the new set up. I think it's time to take a deep breath and consider the following.
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It's important to realize when one is in deep water way over ones head.

I do not have the skills to resolve the issues with this heads and cam install without expert help. Many board members would be in the same boat with me. It takes more back bone to face reality than to pretend otherwise.


Based on the objective evidence at hand, see the links below, I think the best course of action is stop working on the car. Proceeding on the current course with the current skill level is almost certain cost more than paying someone with skills to sort this out. The current course with the current skill set is likely to result in a damaged engine that needs replaced or rebuilt.

Find a friend or board member with real LS knowledge and mechanical skill that can come over fix and fix the car before you destroy the engine. Otherwise find a trust worthy shop and tow the car there for repairs.

They will need to cut open the oil filter and check it. Check push rod length, lifter preload, and check if the cam is degreed in properly along with doing a mechanical gauge check on the oil pressure. There will a lot of other stuff to check as well.
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Tapping

And Tapping with video

And Lifter preload

And Stripping header bolts
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Old Nov 23, 2018 | 08:58 AM
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sounds like the PR's are waaay too short.

pull the valve covers and put #1 cylinder on the heel of the lobe (both rocker tips as high as they go, least spring compression

then grab the pushrod. preload should be such that you cannot turn the PR or just barely turn it.
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Old Nov 23, 2018 | 10:15 AM
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How did you check push rod length? Pull the belt off, to see if the noise goes away. About the only thing that can make a knocking sound is a rod.
I had a rod let go with no knock, and no material in the pan, non-ls motor, the oil light would come on at idle.

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Old Nov 23, 2018 | 10:42 AM
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Dylan- You THINK you know what you're talking about, but the questions you ask and statements you make indicate otherwise. Let someone who DOES know what they're talking about look at the problem. Self confidence is good, but FALSE confidence will get you in trouble fast.
I thought I knew a bunch when I was 23 too. Reality gave me a more thorough education VERY quickly...

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Old Nov 23, 2018 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Dylan Latshaw
I'll do that but I don't think that's the problem since when I parked it before the swap it was perfectly fine. After I changed parts it started the tapping
Ive seen more than 1 camshaft get bent during shipping. It gets installed and takes center cam bearings out. You prolly didn’t measure runout...most don’t. Hopefully for your sake I’m way off base.
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Old Nov 23, 2018 | 11:34 AM
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What Head gaskets are you using
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Old Nov 23, 2018 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Che70velle


Ive seen more than 1 camshaft get bent during shipping. It gets installed and takes center cam bearings out. You prolly didn’t measure runout...most don’t. Hopefully for your sake I’m way off base.
Damn, didn't think of that, before I put my cam in!!! I will have to remember that one. That could cause a knocking sound.

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Old Nov 24, 2018 | 07:24 AM
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I would check the torque on the rocker arm bolts.
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Old Nov 24, 2018 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by truckdoug
lemme hear a video. is it knocking like rod knock or some valve train clackery?
TrouckDkug, I think Clackery is my new favorite word.
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Old Nov 25, 2018 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
That makes two of us! I thought the same, or less, of you! lol
If my mouth was as diarrhetic as yours (and it's not..), I would keep it shut.
G, since 8Lug got banned, are you looking for a new “friend” to poke at? The “clackery” word is indeed a good one, but I have to give you points for “diarrhetic”.
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Old Nov 25, 2018 | 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Che70velle


G, since 8Lug got banned, are you looking for a new “friend” to poke at? The “clackery” word is indeed a good one, but I have to give you points for “diarrhetic”.
His remark to me came right out of left field. I had said nothing bad or otherwise to him at all. He was being a smartass, so it got paid back. But I notice he deleted his post, so I will too.
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Old Dec 5, 2018 | 09:18 AM
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It was the cam retainer plate.
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Old Dec 5, 2018 | 09:36 AM
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It was broke or loose?
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Old Dec 5, 2018 | 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Dylan Latshaw
It was the cam retainer plate.
Glad you found the issue. Thank you for the update.
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Old Dec 5, 2018 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Racer86
It was broke or loose?
I think it wasn't sealing properly. Oil pressure leak.
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Old Dec 5, 2018 | 04:37 PM
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Clackery... I dig it.

And 8 lug got banned? Sweet.
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Old Dec 5, 2018 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 00pooterSS
And 8 lug got banned? Sweet.
There IS a Santa Claus…. lol
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