J-Rod

Big Mike, and others. If you go to the C5 boards. Z06vette.com, Corvetteforum.com, and others... And look at the posts from other Cartek customers their responses have been, shall we say, less than complimentary.

You are correct on this board, the responses have been a bit better. I am curious though the two specs for a Cartek StageIIx camshafts I am seeing are wildly differnt. I have seen numbers all over the spectrum on what the IIx package is or isn't... I applaud you on posting your specs.

On other forums, the sharing of information has not been forthcoming. It was not my intent to speak badly about all Cartek customers. I understand being vocal, and supportive of your local tuners. But sometimes some of the more vocal proponents of Cartek have been pushing the envelope just a bit too far.

Instead of folks bashing tuners for coming out with new, better packages. Maybe we should get behind them. HP wars only benefit the consumer, and force the advancement of engine technology.

Phil99TA

Congrats to LG Motorsports, that looks like a kickass package!

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Godspeed:
<strong>It's my understanding that the Cartek packages are a solid roller combos (or a hybrid) - correct me if I'm wrong.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">HUH???

JS

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Jrod,Big Mikes S2X is also a rebuilt 12.1+ shortblock setup for N20,My Cartek S2X setup is a stock shortblock with 11.1 and is never going to see N20.

I guess u can see now that Cartek has 2 or 3 different camshafts they use for the X package depending on the setup.

Like I said,This BS between shops is dumb.
I cant wait to see Louis lay down a number,then no one will say anything.

JS

Big Mike

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J-Rod,

I must admit the responses on CV.com were less than complimentary. I'm glad it was realized by someone here that it is not the words of the Cartek owners, rather the customers. I will say now, my cam specs have yet to be duplicated, reason being my 346 ci. shortblock was built with J/E 12.5:1 pistons (w/reliefs) which enabled us to go with a more aggressive cam than used in the typical Cartek "X" package. This was done as per my request, I wanted something a little different than the norm, so my cam can't be compared to the other cam's that Cartek uses.

What happens on the CV forum, I could care less, I just want it to be realized, that here on LS1Tech, no one from Cartek had anything negative to say about LG's astonishing accomplishment! Being a Cartek customer and a director here I would not let that happen.

Maybe I view things differently being a business owner myself. The fact that LG didn't post his cam specs makes lots of sense to me, the same way Cartek prefers not to post their specs, and whoever else chooses not to. If I had a brand new tool that I fabricated that would enable me to pour a 20,000 SF slab in less time than my competitors, would I let them know about, hell no!!!

To put it blatantly, a lot of people need to grow up around here and on the other forums, not just the Cartek customers. I mean come on, all the customers from all the big shops stick up for their shop and products to some extent ( I think the term is called "Pimpin you shop" <img border="0" alt="[pimp]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_pimp.gif" /> ), but the insinuations and inuendos (SP?) can be done without!

As you can see I hold a neutral position and have to give credit where credit is due, no matter who it is! Cartek has caught a lot of bullshit from the "Cartek haters" and I just want it to be clear, no one in this post from Cartek is putting LG down.

Fenris Ulf

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by RutanZ28:
<strong> Here's my $.02's worth. I have been reading this thread since it started, and this is ridiculous. Why don't all of you guys wanting the specs, go to hershey's or betty crocker, and ask them what ingredients and what proceses they use to make milk chocolate, and see how far that gets you. It's a trade, and competition is tight, giving away your R&D expenses can and will break a company. Now, the reason I decided to post on here is this. I just got back from a ride in this car and holy moly what a screamer. I wasn't there when the car dynoed, however I have no reason to doubt the validity of LG's claims, especially after having ridden in the car. Considering the cam that is in this car, it has an amazingly smooth idle, doesn't surge at all, is not peaky, and pulls progressively harder to the redline, not to mention that it gets better gas milage then my car. I have been in the market now for a few months looking to buy a cam, and after having ridden in a few different cammed cars, I think I am going to drop the reverse split TR 230 idea, sell off all the hardware I have collected in anticipation of the install, and go for the G5X-2. It is by far the meanest HC car I have seen. Anyone want a new set of Comp 918's (blue stripe) and titanium retainers? Props to Lou, Louis, and all involved in the developement of such a great package. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">To me what is ridiculous, no offense intended Rutan, is to get rid of a proven cam (the TR230) and jump on the next cam bandwagon that only has *one* car tested so far and the maker won't even release the cam specs. Sorry if I am offbase here, but I hope you do try it and dyno some incredible numbers too and prove us all wrong.

absolut_speed

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On topic with the post, those numbers are flat out impressive. I don't blame LG for not disclosing specs at all. They're in business to make a profit, and their work at R&D entitles them to it. The faithful will take the plunge and we'll see a baseline develop. A few more will take the plunge if the others are happy and LG will begin to recoup its investment. Eventually, the numbers will get out, and many more will buy, and a good number more will pay for a custom copy grind that doesn't contribute toward the R&D. That's the reality of it. Kudos LG.

Tekhombre

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by jmX:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by LG Motorsports:
<strong> Do you guys all have the Cartek cam specs. I don't. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No, and a lot of people look at cartek in an odd way too because of their "abnormal" dyno results. Where are all the 460rwhp cartek cars that haven't dyno'd at cartek? Where's all the guys that installed their own cartek package and made similar results? They have loads of high hp heads/cam cars, more than seemingly any other shop out there. They seem to have a very hardcore fanclub as well among corvette guys....why is that? I think its because C5 guys are much more suckers for hype in general than F-body guys. While a post like this would be taken in with open arms on corvette forum, a specless cam would be questioned on ls1tech.com. Its just a difference in thinking.

Having said all that, assuming your dyno isn't high, it'll be interesting to see if this cam pans out in other peoples cars for sure. Its just harder for people to believe the progress until they see it with their own eyes. Independant testing on the net IMO is more important over here than on some other forums.

I'm glad to see people are still out there doing R&D....its the exact same reason I have tried 7 LS1 cams now (all on the exact same dyno) in my cars. I only imagine its that much easier with one thats inhouse, it just means you'll be questioned more on it when incredible results are obtained.

[edit] I'd also like to say I have nothing against cartek and I'm sure their stuff is amazing. I was just trying to point out that they get questioned just like this thread is. [/edit] </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The only people that initially brought up Cartek is LG and JMX. Please keep us out these topics.
JMX to respond to your statement above that we only dyno 460 at our shop, we have customers come within 2 hp of our dyno after redynoing at their local dyno shop. What really matters is track results and we currently have over 14 Cartek "X" packages running from 10.80 to 11.3 in ET and 127.4 to 122 mph. on a stock CID LS1-LS6 F-body and C5 with no power adder.
I don't know what your problem is with us but I shouldn't be reading this kind of BS from a moderator and is the kind of statement that gets the "SUCKERS" to respond to this thread.
<img border="0" alt="[bullshit]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bs.gif" />

Nice numbers LG.

Julio

J-Rod

Again, I would like to point out that Julio and the other owners of Cartek to the best of my knowledge have always taken the high ground. I have never seen them get into these pee-pee contests on the board. It is simply some (not all) of their customers who feel the need to bash anyone every time they make over 440RWHP...

Anyhow, props to Julio for again taking the high ground in this situation. Props also to Cartek for the StageIIx pkg numbers. As stated, lets make this an exchange of information. Not a who can bash who contest...

But again, props to Lou for his new pkg also...

RUF SS

LG Motorsports, GREAT #s! How dose this car is idle? And what is the dyno #s with the cat-back because I am not a big fan of open headers! I really like the #s though! Thanks for your post and showing us what a 346 could do!

Chicago Z06

What i think some of you are missing here is LOOK AT THE GRAPH!!! GEEZ you dyno queen guys are totally missign the point of these numbers... AGAIN LOOK AT THE GRAPH!!! this is AWESOME.. this looks very similar to a stock Z06 graph.. but add a hundred to it... VERY fat and linear!! you guys with the X this and T that and what ever else cam LOOK at your graph and not peak numbers.... its PEAKY most of the time... give me a gridn that makes that graph every day of the week for a street car... this thing would go NUTS on the spray!!! GEEZ... almost too much for the bottom end ot hold as it is... Lou.. for what it is worth PROPS!!! I can sympathize with Lou and his issues through out the years.. I had a good reputation and a good shop ( Area 51)... we listened to the whiners and bent prices to to get the business and well i had to close the doors becuase of all the cheap tight assed people who want performance and the fastest car on the street for penny's.. While Lou has been berated becuase of shop rate... parts too high... yada yada.. guess what? he is still here and one of the few who started messing with the Lt1 cars in 93/94... GREAT job Lou!! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

by the way... i do have a Z06 that i would be willing to sell the GTP stage 2 GTP's in the corner to give your setup a shot on the Z06.. mail me privatly if your interested in working something out..
Keep up the good work!!

Wes

Godspeed

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What i think some of you are missing here is LOOK AT THE GRAPH!!! GEEZ you dyno queen guys are totally missign the point of these numbers... AGAIN LOOK AT THE GRAPH!!! this is AWESOME.. this looks very similar to a stock Z06 graph.. but add a hundred to it... VERY fat and linear!!</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Finally this thread is back on track to why it was posted. This is exactly what Lou is talking about. Not just a high peak, but the total area under the curve.

Horsepower Over 450rwhp from 5600rpm to shut down ~6600

Torque over 400 from 4300rpm to 6100 rpm. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

VINCE

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I think people need to step back for a minute.. Why does LG Motorsports have to reveal their cam specs? Because Thunder Racing and other vendors do? Why cant you just call and ask if it would work for your particular setup? All you should care about is how it RUNS.. If you dyno 500rwhp and run 10.80's with a cam and you do not know the specs are you going to complain? We have 4 pages already, because people rather argue than send a email or pick up the phone and give LG a call. Track setup is more important than the actual horsepower if you guys have not already noticed.. I can count the 440rwhp cars running low 11's on one hand.. I am not talking about 3300lb cars with slicks. I can count the 440rwhp cars on both hands I think.. Many have shown that you only need 400rwhp to run low 11's. Meaning that their track setup is better than avg.. All this dyno hype is just that.. Hype.. What happen to take it to the track..?

AlonzoVersion 1.0

Nice numbers Lou.Again can you give us some details.
Compression ratio?
Valve reliefs?
Race gas/pump gas?
Intake manifold ls6/custom?
What does it have to idle at to run?

I understand you wanting to keep it a secret and all but personally I think you would sale a lot more if you were open about it.But then again you do own a few race shops. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

NataSS Inc

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I talked to LG motorsports today about the cam and here is what I got,"...............". I was told there was more to it than just the cam, its a total package. Hey, and I cant blame them either. They spent alot of time and money doing the R&D and they dont want it ripped off. In the business world its called "Using your head to turn a profit". As soon as he gives up the numbers on the cam everyone and thier dog will start making one with that profile and label it as thier own. That will drive the cost of it down. Yeah, it helps us but hurts them. Hell I want to know as much about it as I can so I can squeeze every ounce of power out of my car. But remember this phrase, we have ALL heard it "SPEED COSTS MONEY". I did everything short of threaten a hit out on Rick to get any info and he just said "Cant say a thing my hands are tied". Well he did say "Its a BIG freakin cam". I dont blame them one bit.

Great #'s LG! <img border="0" alt="[driving]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_driving3.gif" />

2000 ws6

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Keeping the Specs is fine, but what about the people who would like to buy this heads and cam setup and Install it in there own garage? I was informed that when you buy this Kit that Lg has to put it in? I am sorry but I am not driving or sending my car Across 5 states to get this done.

VINCE

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A package is a package.. It's up to you if you want to go somewhere else..

RutanZ28

First let me give you a little background info. I should have clarified this stuff in my earlier post, but you know what they say about hindsight. I have not yet bought any cam or heads. I have been planning on doing a HCI swap since I bought the car, and just recently have been able to afford it (that is if I do it myself). All I have collected to this point is stuff that is universal or independant of/to any cam swap (LS6 intake, headers, valvesprings & retainers, etc...) I am not putting down anyone else's cam, or saying that one is better the the other. All I am saying is that after riding in this car, it was the most streetable cam I have seen that makes this kind of power, and to me it would be worth my time to wait until my budget has a chance to swell a bit once again. As far as waiting for it to be "proven" goes, all I can say is this. I believe LG gives out a dyno graph with all their heads/cam installs. Sure I may not make 463 with my specific combo, however, I am really only looking at the power gained. What I mean is this, if I walk in there with a pooch that makes only 290 to the wheels stock, then I won't expect to make 460, but if it goes to something like 420 with the heads/cam, then I have gained 130 RWHP with a heads and cam package, and I'd be as happy as a pig in crap with those numbers. Honestly I don't care what lift/durration/LSA etc. cam is in my car, as long as it has the drivability that the "test mule" has, with comparable gains. Let me ask you this (and this is not intended as a flame), when you go to a steakhouse, and order the filet, do you care if it came off of an angus cow, or a herford, etc...? No you want it to be cooked to the desired color, be tender, and taste good. Sorry for taking this thread a bit of topic, but that is merely my point of view.

Louis

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LS6 intake, untouched

10.7-8:1 CR

Pumpgas that was a week old

It will idle at 950, and doesnt surge at all on the highway. I can plunk along in 6th gear @ 50 mph with no problem.


It is a street friendly package. After we got done dynoing it, I pulled it off, put all my school stuff in it, and drove 13.5 hours strait to Purdue with a 70.2 MPH average. Throughout the trip, I avg. 25.6 MPG, highest being 27, lowest being 24( Lead foot <img border="0" alt="[evil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" /> ) with ~ 275 to a tank having a few gallons left too.

LIL SS

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 2000 ws6:
<strong> Keeping the Specs is fine, but what about the people who would like to buy this heads and cam setup and Install it in there own garage? I was informed that when you buy this Kit that Lg has to put it in? I am sorry but I am not driving or sending my car Across 5 states to get this done. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm sure if you didn't want to send the car across 5 states Lou would work something out with you. He seems like a resonable man. Who knows, if the pistons need reliefs cut in them he'd probably tell you when you bought the package. <img border="0" alt="[bang head]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_banghead.gif" />


How hard is it to understand that testing takes time and money. To me, time is money, so he's going out on a limb here just like every other shop does, investing, taking an educated guess to try something that benifits us all in the end. Should he be paid for it?? YES Every shop should be. Maybe the best solution would be to have all the shops keep all their packages quiet so no one benifits.. Is that the solution you want? Not every business is run the same.

I don't think LG is going to leave you hanging with a package that CAN'T run in your car. I don't think any sponsor would, that is what is bad for business.

Pro Stock John

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Please read.

Great numbers big Lou. I'm impressed, you guys and other shops.

If any of our sponsors don't want to post the cam specs, then so be it. If they ever sell the cam separately, and give folks the proper instructions to make the cam work in their car, then again that is fine.

As far as the fan/follower stuff goes, in reference to the Cartek/LG rivalrly, BRING IT. I am impressed by any cars that go 10's or super low 11's with a stock 346ci bottom end.

I bet LG will cut some nice deals to have a few new pimps on the scene, we need some more 10 second folks on here!!!!!!!!