Cheatr Cam...
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Cheatr Cam... Anyone running a Thunder Racing Cheatr Cam with stock heads? Any dyno graphs available? 1/4 mile improvements? I ran the search but only found posts from Patrick G. Anyone else using this cam?
Thanks,
Mike
Thanks,
Mike
Jason99T/A put one in his old WS6 with 125k miles. With stock manifolds and cats, he picked up 31 rwhp for a total of 362 rwhp. I'm sure Jason will post up the dyno sheets when he can.
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
Advantages of the CheaTR?
Stock idle
Stock sound
Emissions legal
Pulling power down to 600 rpm
Pulling power up to 6800 rpm
Stock fuel economy
30+ hp gain with factory log manifold and cats (not many cams can do this along with all of the other factors above)
If you plan on using headers and off road y-pipe, this is not the cam for you. The gains would be "average" as you say. But if you plan on keeping factory exhaust and want pure stealth, I don't think there's many cams out there that make more power than the CheaTR. It takes tremendous engineering to design a cam to run superbly on choked up exhaust. GM is the best at doing this. Thunder Racing modeled the CheaTR after some of GM's best factory cams and pumped it up in all the right places.
Stock idle
Stock sound
Emissions legal
Pulling power down to 600 rpm
Pulling power up to 6800 rpm
Stock fuel economy
30+ hp gain with factory log manifold and cats (not many cams can do this along with all of the other factors above)
If you plan on using headers and off road y-pipe, this is not the cam for you. The gains would be "average" as you say. But if you plan on keeping factory exhaust and want pure stealth, I don't think there's many cams out there that make more power than the CheaTR. It takes tremendous engineering to design a cam to run superbly on choked up exhaust. GM is the best at doing this. Thunder Racing modeled the CheaTR after some of GM's best factory cams and pumped it up in all the right places.
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
Originally Posted by UtOhCop
Holy ****. I just checked out the specs of this cam. Same exact duration as my custom cam except i'm running .550/.559 Lift and a 118LSA
Oh, but don't let the small intake duration at .050" fool you. The CheaTR cam's intake lobe area is very similar to the lobe area of the 224 .560 lobe that Thunder uses. 215 idle with 224 power. That's how the cam can make so much power even with crappy exhaust.
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
Okay, good explanation, Patrick.
One more question:
Why would you WANT to do AFR 205 heads, a cam, an LS6 intake, a ported throttle bottle, a lid, an underdrive pulley, and a catback...and then choke off the motor with stock exhaust manifolds/y-pipe? Sorry, just not seeing the appeal quite yet, but I'm interested in your motive.
One more question:
Why would you WANT to do AFR 205 heads, a cam, an LS6 intake, a ported throttle bottle, a lid, an underdrive pulley, and a catback...and then choke off the motor with stock exhaust manifolds/y-pipe? Sorry, just not seeing the appeal quite yet, but I'm interested in your motive.
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Originally Posted by TroubledWine3
Okay, good explanation, Patrick.
One more question:
Why would you WANT to do AFR 205 heads, a cam, an LS6 intake, a ported throttle bottle, a lid, an underdrive pulley, and a catback...and then choke off the motor with stock exhaust manifolds/y-pipe? Sorry, just not seeing the appeal quite yet, but I'm interested in your motive.
One more question:
Why would you WANT to do AFR 205 heads, a cam, an LS6 intake, a ported throttle bottle, a lid, an underdrive pulley, and a catback...and then choke off the motor with stock exhaust manifolds/y-pipe? Sorry, just not seeing the appeal quite yet, but I'm interested in your motive.
Anybody who gets in my car cannot tell it's modified. It's like a new car. No rattles, no tinny exhaust sounds, no smelly fumes, no shakey idle. Basically, it's like riding in a new ZO6. My car is like stock except it makes close to 100 rwhp more than stock. No downsides (except for cost). Wouldn't that appeal to you (for a daily driver?).
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
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Originally Posted by TroubledWine3
What are the advantages to the CheaTR cam? As far as I can see, it'll sound stock, put a lot of wear on your valvesprings, and have average power gains.
As far as I can tell valvespring life is just fine. I have had the same lobes in my truck for about 30,000 miles now with several long trips uder my belt and the springs are doing just fine.
The point of this cam is decent power gains with a stock like idle. If you are looking for a cam that lopes this cam isn't for you. Also tuning requirements will be none to minimal at the worst. This cam doesn't need nearly the tuning as a lot of the larger cams to work properly.
Originally Posted by 2K2WS6TA
So what else do you need with this CheaTR cam, ie springs, rockers, tune, and anything else you can think of 
. This 
HP is very appealing IMO
. This HP is very appealing IMOA spring package, pushrods, the cam and maybe a gasket package. You won't need much if any tuning.
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From: Orange County
Okay, what about the new Comp 915's. They are rated up to .625 lift. While the 918's are rated upto .600. It seems to me that the 918's will be pushed to the limit with this cam.
Originally Posted by 9silverbird8
Don't wanna hijack, but what are pros/cons of using doubles over singles?
The inner spring helps to cancel out some of the various harmonics of the outer spring, making the valvetrain more stable.
It's easier to get more pressure with two springs than with one.
If one of the springs fail, there is another one that is there to keep you from dropping a valve (theoretically).
Patrick
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From: Wilkes-Barre, Pa
Originally Posted by 1LE 99
By the way, anyone else using the Cheatr cam?
I'm using a custom cam with a different Lift and LSA but a 212/230 Duration. Look at my numbers in the sig.. Stock manifolds.