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Aug 5, 2005 | 06:45 PM

#81

TroubledWine3

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Originally Posted by SideStep

He must have figured all that out from his extensive list of modifications.... must have missed my dyno in my sig....

What do my mods have to do with anything?

I'm sure Tony has worked on stuff faster than his car, but I guess that means he doesn't know a ******* thing because HIS car isn't the fastest, eh?

Gimme a ******* break.

Aug 5, 2005 | 06:49 PM

#82

Ed Curtis

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Originally Posted by TroubledWine3

I'm going by not only the word of several very reputable engine builders and tuners in the LS1 community who, if I mentioned their names, would shut you up, but by dyno sheets comparing similar cars with similar cams and modifications.

I'm not saying AFR 205s CAN'T outperform every other head, I'm saying out of the box.

225s are a completely, completely different ballgame altogether and they ******* kill.

/awaiting to be shut up...

Aug 5, 2005 | 06:55 PM

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I'll try to be as non-offensive as possible when I say this...

HAVE YOU BEEN SMOKING CRACK?

Aug 5, 2005 | 06:59 PM

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Not that my mod's are anything to brag about, but when did TR55's become part of the drive train?

Aug 5, 2005 | 07:10 PM

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1QuickT-A

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Originally Posted by TAQuickness

Not that my mod's are anything to brag about, but when did TR55's become part of the drive train?

Maybe thats a secret we dont know about just like the bad *** LPE heads he's been using..

Aug 5, 2005 | 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Rod

No, here let me JRP....

AFR's "out of the box" have made as much as 480 RWHP. LG motorsports on a high compression motor made 530-540RWHP. Small "punk" cams have made 425. Evena "mid-size" cam combo easily makes 450. You need to use the search button, and please post up these results of which you speak... As the fact of which you speak are simply mis-informed

Have you looked at the port on an AFR? What part of the port needs to be changed in the AFR 205?

As for the LPE head. Is it a decent head? Yes, its a decent head. Its also about a 245-250cc intake runner. I have a flow sheet on one if you'd like to see it. The AFR head is as good or better with a 40-45cc smaller intake runner. (That whole flow vs velocity thing again...) I know a few folks who have LPE heads. There is nothing wrong with them per se, but your so called "facts" related to HP are in error....

As for me I'll take the same flow with much less volume to keep velocity and cylinder fill up. But what the heck do I know?

that about sums it up

Aug 5, 2005 | 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TAQuickness

Not that my mod's are anything to brag about, but when did TR55's become part of the drive train?

I didn't feel like making seperate "motor", "transmission", and "rearend" sections of my signature. I'm pretty sure spark plugs don't go where the C-clips are, but I guess I don't know ****.

I'll leave this thread alone. I'm not gonna suck anyones dick around here and unless I do that, the big dicks will just swing their **** around.

'S all good. Like I said, AFRs are and most likely will stay THE badass LSx head. I offered a third opinion, you guys disagree.

Aug 5, 2005 | 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TroubledWine3

and i know of a few vendor/sponsors who have taken a 205 head and worked there "magic" doing more port work only too end up with a head that flows marginally better (mostly due to enlarging the ports) and making mediocre power over an out the box 205.

FWIW im not talking about PDD if anyone is wondering....

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Aug 5, 2005 | 07:25 PM

#89

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Originally Posted by TroubledWine3

I'm going by not only the word of several very reputable engine builders and tuners in the LS1 community who, if I mentioned their names, would shut you up,

Aaaaaand this is were i get in too..... come on keyboard jockey... start droppin names....

since most EVERY MAJOR LS1 builder is a member or sponcer of this board...
let me clearify....

every RECORD HOLDING LS1 builder in the world is a member or sponcer of this board...

lets hear the name that is gonna shut everyone up.....

Aug 5, 2005 | 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TAQuickness

Not that my mod's are anything to brag about, but when did TR55's become part of the drive train?

Aug 5, 2005 | 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TroubledWine3

I didn't feel like making seperate "motor", "transmission", and "rearend" sections of my signature.

uh.... you made a seperate SUSPENTION section... but seperating the big 3 is too hard???

chassis,powertrain,drivetrain..... nothing you say makes sence!

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I'm pretty sure spark plugs don't go where the C-clips are, but I guess I don't know ****.

something tells me THAT is a safe guess

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I'll leave this thread alone. I'm not gonna suck anyones dick around here and unless I do that, the big dicks will just swing their **** around.

aaaaaaaaannnddd here comes the ...bla bla bla.... i cant win cause i dont know **** from shinola so i am gonna make you ALL look bad by saying i wont bend and you all are just bullys........ so there!

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'S all good. Like I said, AFRs are and most likely will stay THE badass LSx head. I offered a third opinion, you guys disagree.

no... you said....No offense but AFR 205s out of the box are making 420-430 while Lingenfelters, at the same price, are making 440-450.

you typed a BULLSHIT faulsehood and now you are trying to backpeddle to save face....

Aug 5, 2005 | 07:39 PM

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in the end, any X vs Y comes down to money and how much HP and pontential HP is worth your dollar. its the same **** with all the header posts; guys are still making good power with there cheapie flowtechs and pacesetters. however, the kooks/qtp guys on average are making more power.

with the higher dollar headers you can see where the extra money comes in; high quality stainless steel, race inspired merge collectors, ect.

its a little bit harder too see differences in high quality heads with the naked eye; port volumes, minimal cross section, velocity, bowl work, valve job, ect. of course those can all be quantified, but average guy spending 1500-2000 dollars on heads doesnt go the extra mile to have that done.

Aug 5, 2005 | 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jrp

That's very well stated.

Aug 5, 2005 | 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by xfactor_pitbulls

Is there a guaranteed 10-20 more hp with the AFR head? Probably, but is it worth the extra money?
Brandon

I think that alot of people still think that our current 5.3 Stg 1.5 head is the same old head, it is not. It is far more consistent via better CNC program that yields less hand finish work. Better equalized valve tip heights, 315 cfm of airflow on average compared to the 300 cfm we had to try hard to obtain. The logo CNC'd on the exhaust face so you know you have a genuine TEA Stg 1.5 Rev 2 head. It is still upgradable via larger valves and more hand finish work. Many customers that have picked up in the 40 RWHP range with just the heads and at least one that picked up 50 RWHP WITH HEAD CHANGE ONLY.

However, I do like the AFR casting, it has exceptional CNC quality. So I say if you have the budget, buy the AFR, if not, you will not be disappointed with the power of the TEA 5.3 Stg 1.5 heads!

Aug 5, 2005 | 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Tooley

However, I do like the AFR casting, it has exceptional CNC quality. So I say if you have the budget, buy the AFR, if not, you will not be disappointed with the power of the TEA 5.3 Stg 1.5 heads!

VERY well said!!

Aug 5, 2005 | 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TroubledWine3

I noticed that Jeff Creech dyno'd your car, what has been the most impressive, highest RWHP H/C cars he has dyno'd?? Was there a LPE headed car at the top?? Just curious. Please ask and then post for all of us please.

Aug 5, 2005 | 11:10 PM

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Quick question if I may budge in here

how would the GMPP LS6 (LPE ported?) compare with the TEA 1.5s? I am thinking of getting the pair that are in the for sale section....

I cant decide!!!!!!!!!1111one!!

Aug 5, 2005 | 11:12 PM

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I just noticed that there is no before and after #'S for the TEA heads.

Well I have all the bolt ons and a 224/224 570 lift 114 lsa cam that I had tuned 3 months ago by Jeff Creech.

I just got my 1.5 5.3 heads from TEA today. Thanks Brent.
They go on in the next few days.

Jeff Creech will be here on the 19th through the 21st. I will be getting my car tuned on the 19th.

So the good news. I will have before and after #'S to compare. I only added the heads since the last tune.

I will keep you all posted.

Also note: Jeef Creech highly recommened Brent at TEA. He said he has seen some awesome gains with his heads and they are always very consistent. So that is why I went with TEA heads.

Aug 6, 2005 | 02:46 AM

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Please newbie's if your reading this do your research before buying heads.
Many people like AFR heads and for many reasons. They work great.
I can wait to see when AFR finds a way to get 325 CFM's out of a 210-215cc head.
that would be badass.
Anyways research is your friend.
Look at the dyno section, and read as much as possible.
Can you buy a set of heads and make more power with the same exact mods then a 205 AFR will make??? Doubtful unless there is a compression difference.
there are guys on this site that know what they are talking about. Troublewine3 isn't one of these guys. Maybe he should stick to Tarheal games.
I myself have had 9 sets of different heads flowed at a local shop and I am a newbie incomparision to some other members.
Again do the research and make a budget taht you can afford.
A hit for the newbie's if the OWNER OF TEA comes on here and says "However, I do like the AFR casting, it has exceptional CNC quality. So I say if you have the budget, buy the AFR, if not, you will not be disappointed with the power of the TEA 5.3 Stg 1.5 heads!"
that should be a clue to how good these heads are.