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Originally Posted by WS6FirebirdTA00
Because its worth horsepower, duh. 
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Originally Posted by Tony Mamo @ AFR
Ahhhhh....Life would be sooooo boring without the Internet.
I'm sure the younger generation just takes it for granted....
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Originally Posted by CollinsAutomotive
the other question i have is why is everyone porting a $1200 intake Manifold??? for $1200 ( tb and Intake) I could have one custom made on a CNC machine out of delrin to the exact shapes sizes and tapers that would work without porting.
Tony Mamo has proved his worth to the board, you haven't noob.
I wouldn't care if all 3 cars you dynoed lost power with the fast 90, everybody else's results go against yours and I wouldn't think twice about running the fast 90 on my car.
The person who should be suspected is you.
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Originally Posted by Cobraeater
If this idea is so great how come none of the sponsors have offered to do this in the 3 years the fast intake has been out.
Tony Mamo has proved his worth to the board, you haven't noob.
I wouldn't care if all 3 cars you dynoed lost power with the fast 90, everybody else's results go against yours and I wouldn't think twice about running the fast 90 on my car.
The person who should be suspected is you.
Tony Mamo has proved his worth to the board, you haven't noob.
I wouldn't care if all 3 cars you dynoed lost power with the fast 90, everybody else's results go against yours and I wouldn't think twice about running the fast 90 on my car.
The person who should be suspected is you.
Secondly why should i be suspect I am not the one reaching into your pockets.
Originally Posted by 02ZOh6
Losing power with the Fast is probably due to the cam. I remember when Patrick G was helping me out he was pretty adimant (sp?) about selecting the right cam to wrok with the Fast 90.
Nice numbers BTW!
Nice numbers BTW!
the reason for this cam in particular losing power with the fast is due to the fact this cam was designed to use every bit the LS6 has to offer. i would rather spend around $400 on a nicely designed efficient cam then spend another what-ever a fast 90/90 costs just to make up for a shitty cam design....maybe i'm a minority cause i can't **** out money??? so i'm gonna keep my LS6 and ported TB
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My logic is just fine.
I asked why nobody is making these already ported delrin intakes/tb for $1200 if there so much better than the fast intake?
Now other people port the fast 90 intakes for cheaper, Vengeance Racing, TTP, and others for like $150-200, but Tony charges more and if people don't like it don't have the intake ported by him then.
Tony explained in another post from a ways back that he charges a fair price for the work he does to the fast intake, but why do you even care what Tony Mamo charges for porting work anyway?
And you're in my suspect pool because you had some bad results with the fast 90 for whatever reason and automatically all the other good results shouldn't mean anything since you couldn't make more power.
JRod's links show proof (dyno tests) that the fast 90 makes more power or did you miss that?
Give me a break.
I asked why nobody is making these already ported delrin intakes/tb for $1200 if there so much better than the fast intake?
Now other people port the fast 90 intakes for cheaper, Vengeance Racing, TTP, and others for like $150-200, but Tony charges more and if people don't like it don't have the intake ported by him then.
Tony explained in another post from a ways back that he charges a fair price for the work he does to the fast intake, but why do you even care what Tony Mamo charges for porting work anyway?
And you're in my suspect pool because you had some bad results with the fast 90 for whatever reason and automatically all the other good results shouldn't mean anything since you couldn't make more power.
JRod's links show proof (dyno tests) that the fast 90 makes more power or did you miss that?
Give me a break.
Last edited by Cobraeater; Nov 26, 2006 at 03:18 AM.
Originally Posted by CollinsAutomotive
back to what i said before. You can almost buy a custom CNC intake for $1200 why should you spend $1200 and then spend another 200-600 to port an already exspensive intake ?to me it just looks like bandaid medicine for a potentially flawed product. Weather its a design issue or a QC issue its still an issue.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/corvette-performance/607187-465-rwhp-416-rwtq-stock-heads.html
Get a hobby Barney.....
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Originally Posted by Cobraeater
My logic is just fine.
I asked why nobody is making these already ported delrin intakes/tb for $1200 if there so much better than the fast intake?
Now other people port the fast 90 intakes for cheaper, Vengence Racing, TTP, and others for like $150-200, but Tony charges more and if people don't like it don't have the intake ported by him then.
Tony explained in another post from a ways back that he charges a fair price for the work he does to the fast intake.
Why do you even care what Tony Mamo charges for porting work? And you're in my suspect pool because you had some bad results with the fast 90 for whatever reason and automatically all the other good results shouldn't mean anything since you couldn't make more power.
Give me a break.
I asked why nobody is making these already ported delrin intakes/tb for $1200 if there so much better than the fast intake?
Now other people port the fast 90 intakes for cheaper, Vengence Racing, TTP, and others for like $150-200, but Tony charges more and if people don't like it don't have the intake ported by him then.
Tony explained in another post from a ways back that he charges a fair price for the work he does to the fast intake.
Why do you even care what Tony Mamo charges for porting work? And you're in my suspect pool because you had some bad results with the fast 90 for whatever reason and automatically all the other good results shouldn't mean anything since you couldn't make more power.
Give me a break.
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Originally Posted by Jimmyz
Here's a SPONSOR doing exactly what you claim (in 1 of the 50 posts you put in this thread alone) no one is doing.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=607187
Get a hobby Barney..... The FAST 90/ NW 90 setup makes power period!
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=607187
Get a hobby Barney.....
The FAST 90/ NW 90 setup makes power period!Multiply those numbers by .88 (least difference we've seen with dynojets)and compare them to the charts i posted on page one. thats a pretty big disparity in output.Making 400hp on the dyno i use is a rare achivement rarely matched by most of the HC stuff out there if you don't belive me i can start posting charts from alot of underperforming vendor cars.I am sure they would just love that.
Well, nobody around here uses Mustang dyno's AFAIK.
Here's another graph:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...98#post5933998
Must everyone's making more power and torque with a 90/90 setup...except you I guess.
Happy Motorin' !!
Here's another graph:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...98#post5933998
Must everyone's making more power and torque with a 90/90 setup...except you I guess.
Happy Motorin' !!
Originally Posted by CollinsAutomotive
Tony I am really begginging to question my respect for you as a manufacturer. Butt dyno placebo results ?Come on Man the only way to test this and even you know is to setup an engine on a dyno in a car or on a real engien dyno and AB test this thing same day hopefully within a few minutes to under an hr.Make consecutive pulls and adjust for best fuel and spark.to really prove this out it would take 5 runs minimum with each intake. I have really come to question the honesty of the Manufacturers advertisers here.
the other question i have is why is everyone porting a $1200 intake Manifold??? for $1200 ( tb and Intake) I could have one custom made on a CNC machine out of delrin to the exact shapes sizes and tapers that would work without porting.
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the other question i have is why is everyone porting a $1200 intake Manifold??? for $1200 ( tb and Intake) I could have one custom made on a CNC machine out of delrin to the exact shapes sizes and tapers that would work without porting.
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1. Been there done that, as have nunerous others on this board, a long time ago I might add. Guess what, the FAST 90 makes more power. Both of my test's were done back to back ON THE DYNO and retuned. One on a 346 and a 408.
2. If it's soooo easy to make the magic intake for $1,200, why are you f'n around with a LS6 and FAST intake???? You're a bus. man, why are you not building the custom intakes for people??? For $1,200, people would flock to you if you're this good. Jeez, just from intakes alone you would be busy as hell.
I'm surprised people are actually keeping this thread going.
Originally Posted by SS4Matt
did anyone even bother to read post #3???
the reason for this cam in particular losing power with the fast is due to the fact this cam was designed to use every bit the LS6 has to offer. i would rather spend around $400 on a nicely designed efficient cam then spend another what-ever a fast 90/90 costs just to make up for a shitty cam design....maybe i'm a minority cause i can't **** out money??? so i'm gonna keep my LS6 and ported TB
the reason for this cam in particular losing power with the fast is due to the fact this cam was designed to use every bit the LS6 has to offer. i would rather spend around $400 on a nicely designed efficient cam then spend another what-ever a fast 90/90 costs just to make up for a shitty cam design....maybe i'm a minority cause i can't **** out money??? so i'm gonna keep my LS6 and ported TB
and good point on Patrick G. and his cam selection just for the f.a.s.t.
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Originally Posted by 2c5s
1. Been there done that, as have nunerous others on this board, a long time ago I might add. Guess what, the FAST 90 makes more power. Both of my test's were done back to back ON THE DYNO and retuned. One on a 346 and a 408.
2. If it's soooo easy to make the magic intake for $1,200, why are you f'n around with a LS6 and FAST intake???? You're a bus. man, why are you not building the custom intakes for people??? For $1,200, people would flock to you if you're this good. Jeez, just from intakes alone you would be busy as hell.
I'm surprised people are actually keeping this thread going.
2. If it's soooo easy to make the magic intake for $1,200, why are you f'n around with a LS6 and FAST intake???? You're a bus. man, why are you not building the custom intakes for people??? For $1,200, people would flock to you if you're this good. Jeez, just from intakes alone you would be busy as hell.
I'm surprised people are actually keeping this thread going.
2. Its not that hard to make a good intake you just have to be willing to either A use a totally different design or B find a good way to rework the runner tappers lengths and plenum, to wind up with a much higher resonant frequency. This would move the RPM band north. the Wilson breadbox is a good start if you really wanna make HP over TQ. Depends on your engine building philosphy. I'd rather make the most out of the stuff thats on the car since its so well designed to begin with.
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Originally Posted by Jimmyz
Well, nobody around here uses Mustang dyno's AFAIK.
Here's another graph:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...98#post5933998
Must everyone's making more power and torque with a 90/90 setup...except you I guess.
Happy Motorin' !!
Here's another graph:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...98#post5933998
Must everyone's making more power and torque with a 90/90 setup...except you I guess.
Happy Motorin' !!
Originally Posted by CollinsAutomotive
1. in retort 99% of the 347's that come through the door don't make 400whp with any intake bolted to the motor M6 cars included.So i will take you single vehicle experience as just that.
2. Its not that hard to make a good intake you just have to be willing to either A use a totally different design or B find a good way to rework the runner tappers lengths and plenum, to wind up with a much higher resonant frequency. This would move the RPM band north. the Wilson breadbox is a good start if you really wanna make HP over TQ. Depends on your engine building philosphy. I'd rather make the most out of the stuff thats on the car since its so well designed to begin with.
2. Its not that hard to make a good intake you just have to be willing to either A use a totally different design or B find a good way to rework the runner tappers lengths and plenum, to wind up with a much higher resonant frequency. This would move the RPM band north. the Wilson breadbox is a good start if you really wanna make HP over TQ. Depends on your engine building philosphy. I'd rather make the most out of the stuff thats on the car since its so well designed to begin with.
2.Well, why are you posting at all? Let me sum it up for you. You're F.O.S.!
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Originally Posted by 2c5s
1. You should learn how to read.
2.Well, why are you posting at all? Let me sum it up for you. You're F.O.S.!
2.Well, why are you posting at all? Let me sum it up for you. You're F.O.S.!
What gives. Here is imperical proof that a Vehicle Lost power
9one albeit that makes phenomenal power)and you just can't accept that ?? is there something wrong with you ?
1. You made an assertion that wasn't true. I retored by telling you the truth which is that 90% of the cars that hit these rollers don't make 400hp. Its not a lie its true. Secondly some of the vehicles had fast intakes some had ls6 intakes. I can count on one hand out of the of cars we tune every month that actually make that kind of power. Read carefully regardless of intake manifold. It doesn't happen often. We have one client that has figured out the camshaft secret and is making kickass power.
2. I post here becuase i feel like it. why do you post here ?
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Man, your arguments are ridiculous.
Just for arguments sake read this testing, prolly one of the most extensive intake testing to date:
http://www.tpis.com/plog/index.php?o...Id=14&blogId=1
This is from a company that modifies LS6 intakes and FAST is still the best. Look at the LS2 intake.
Just for arguments sake read this testing, prolly one of the most extensive intake testing to date:
http://www.tpis.com/plog/index.php?o...Id=14&blogId=1
This is from a company that modifies LS6 intakes and FAST is still the best. Look at the LS2 intake.
Originally Posted by CollinsAutomotive
What gives. Here is imperical proof that a Vehicle Lost power
9one albeit that makes phenomenal power)and you just can't accept that ?? is there something wrong with you ?
1. You made an assertion that wasn't true. I retored by telling you the truth which is that 90% of the cars that hit these rollers don't make 400hp. Its not a lie its true. Secondly some of the vehicles had fast intakes some had ls6 intakes. I can count on one hand out of the of cars we tune every month that actually make that kind of power. Read carefully regardless of intake manifold. It doesn't happen often. We have one client that has figured out the camshaft secret and is making kickass power.
2. I post here becuase i feel like it. why do you post here ?
9one albeit that makes phenomenal power)and you just can't accept that ?? is there something wrong with you ?
1. You made an assertion that wasn't true. I retored by telling you the truth which is that 90% of the cars that hit these rollers don't make 400hp. Its not a lie its true. Secondly some of the vehicles had fast intakes some had ls6 intakes. I can count on one hand out of the of cars we tune every month that actually make that kind of power. Read carefully regardless of intake manifold. It doesn't happen often. We have one client that has figured out the camshaft secret and is making kickass power.
2. I post here becuase i feel like it. why do you post here ?
Now please p.m. me when you start building those intakes for $1,200, I want to be first in line.