Tekhombre

Finally got a few runs on JS's new set up, we have some trans and tuning issues the numbers are 432.7 RWHP and 388.4 RWTQ SAE corrected from a 346 with an A4.
He has our Stage 2-X package and the car has the following mods, MAC headers, LS6 intake, MAF ends, Lid, UD pulley, Short belt, cut-out, 3.73 gears, A4 with manually locked converter.

JS's dyno run.

Joel's 432 RWHP dyno run

His has our 224-224 cam. The rev limiter is set to 7,000 but the dyno graph shows 7,250, this is typical of an unlocked converter or a slipping trans (I looks like it didn't lock until 4,200 rpm even though it was manually locked at the beginning of the run). The peak at 6,500 is probably at 6,300-6,400. After your new trans comes in we will finish tuning it with the MACs and after with the Dynotechs.

Julio

Pro Stock John

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Strong #'s!!!

What's the fuel system on the car?

Nine Ball

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Hey, where is that Trolly Booger fella at? <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">

Great numbers Julio, Dave, and JS! Looking forward to a before/after dyno graph on the header swap coming.

Tony

The Juggernaut

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Ahhhh,come on now,Julio.
It's not a 224 cam,it's a 216.I know it for a
FACT 'cause I talk to Ms. Cleo for 5.99 per minute
and she's NEVER wrong.
Oops,I just farted,now I have SIX 11 second F- bodies! <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0"> <img src="graemlins/gr_barf.gif" border="0" alt="[barf]" />

XLR8NSS

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[quote]Originally posted by 01-Z:
<strong>Ahhhh,come on now,Julio.
It's not a 224 cam,it's a 216.I know it for a
FACT 'cause I talk to Ms. Cleo for 5.99 per minute
and she's NEVER wrong.
Oops,I just farted,now I have SIX 11 second F- bodies! <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0"> <img src="graemlins/gr_barf.gif" border="0" alt="[barf]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

LMAO <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">

Terry Burger

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So you took out the Thunder Racing 224 cam and put in Cartech 224 cam? Why wouldn't one select a larger cam for a car with a 4500+rpm stall and 4.10s? What did the car dyno with the converter unlocked?

Obviously JS is now lying about his JPR stage 1 setup trying to make it look worse than it was to help him pimp his new $$$ Cartech stuff. I've also heard from more than one person that the 216 cam JS claimed he was running the whole time was really a 218/224 cam. Maybe that explains why he didn't pick up much going to the TR 224/224 cam?

Like I said before I can't wait to see the setup run at the track.

[quote]
Oops,I just farted,now I have SIX 11 second F- bodies!
<hr></blockquote>

I'm surrounded by imbeciles. <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">

Terry Burger

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[quote]
His has our 224-224 cam. The rev limiter is set to 7,000 but the dyno graph shows 7,250, this is typical of an unlocked converter or a slipping trans (I looks like it didn't lock until 4,200 rpm even though it was manually locked at the beginning of the run). The peak at 6,500 is probably at 6,300-6,400. After your new trans comes in we will finish tuning it with the MACs and after with the Dynotechs.
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Since Cartech is such a "professional" shop you probably already know this but, rpm is rpm. It's taken off the ignition system directly and the fact that your tranny may or may not be slipping will have no impact on its reading. If the engine is turning 6500rpm the dyno will indicate 6500rpm regardless of the MPH of the roller. What you're trying to describe would require a power vs MPH plot. You'd have to show that while the MPH indicated at the roller was Ymph, doing the calculations on the gearing and rpm it should have been (Y-Z) mph. This would show the amount of tranny slip.

It looks to me like there is a valve control related issue from 6500rpm and up, and that your peak of 432rwhp is really the result of a spike. A more accurate RWHP figure is probably in the 428rwhp range (or whatever the power is right at 6500rpm).

JS

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It has 3.73's in it,not 4.10s.

Terry and any SMART person knows one cam w/224 VS. another cam w/224 can be TOTALLY different.Didnt u start this arguement w/TR Racing to about MMS 224 and there TR 224?

Actuall Terry I thought my JPR setup did great,as matter of fact it KICKED YOUR SORRY *** SETUP ***.
Both in MPH and ET

Funny Terry,I remeber all the BS u caused JOE when u accused him of really having a S2 headed Stock Valved setup on my car? Now u love suddenly JPR,What a 2 faced *** u r.

Yes I cant wait til we run 121+ too
Like I said Terry,I'll let Julio tell u about my NEW setup...

JS

Pro Stock John

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Terry, I think that you are obsessing too much here on this combo.

When we take on a company as a sponsor, we are in effect making a statement to the LS1/LS6 community, that LS1Tech respects this new sponsor.

The reality is that your own favored shop, MMS has put down 425+ rwhp #'s thru an automatic and run over 120mph trap speeds at the track with Derek's white Z28. So has MTI. So has ARE. So has Thunder Racing. So has Cartek. So if anything Cartek is showing that they are also in the center ring along with the other companies I have just mentioned.

I for one was so impressed with Cartek hitting over 500rwhp with that 408ci C5 that I had to call Julio Hormilla @ Cartek, who I have met before at E-Town, to pick his brains and touch base.

So let's continue in a constructive manner, because in my opinion, when you tear into a sponsor, you are starting to tear into LS1Tech.com.

Regards,

John M. Ryan

[ February 01, 2002: Message edited by: Pro Stock John ]</p>

1madss

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Thank you Mr Ryan. <img src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" border="0">

Terry Burger

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[quote]
I for one was so impressed with Cartek hitting over 500rwhp with that 408ci C5
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The 510rwhp figure was uncorrected. <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">

I haven't mentioned my shop of preference, nor have I been digging in to Cartech. If anything I'm digging in to JSs deceitful behavior.

The reality of the situation is that I'm just having fun with these guys who in my opinion (and I'm not alone on this), are putting out a little BS. Even you can agree there is nothing wrong with that.

[ February 01, 2002: Message edited by: Terry Burger ]</p>

Terry Burger

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[quote]
Terry and any SMART person knows one cam w/224 VS. another cam w/224 can be TOTALLY different.Didnt u start this arguement w/TR Racing to about MMS 224 and there TR 224?
<hr></blockquote>

That was a point that Thunder Racing was trying to make with their 224 cam. They claimed that theirs was completely custom and different, implying that somehow they didn't pick from one of the same 4-5 cam lobes that everyone who buys from Competition Cams picks from. Sure you can do a lot of things with advance, LS, lobe type/ramp rate, but in my eyes a 224 cam is still a 224 cam.

The point I was making, which you completely missed, is why would Cartech put another 224 cam in the car? It already had a 224 cam. From your posts when you were pimping Thunder Racing you claimed it was a very good 224 cam. Have you dumped Thunder Racing now like you dumped JPR? Who's bitch are you going to be next? <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">

Pro Stock John

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[quote]Originally posted by Terry Burger:
<strong>

The 510rwhp figure was uncorrected. <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">

I haven't mentioned my shop of preference, nor have I been digging in to Cartek. If anything I'm digging in to JSs deceitful behavior.

The reality of the situation is that I'm just having fun with these guys who in my opinion (and I'm not alone on this), are putting out a little BS. Even you can agree there is nothing wrong with that.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

I have talked to Julio Hormilla a good number of times over the last couple of years. He is very much on top of what a car should. We talked about Mike/Stealth's C5 408ci M6 car, and what it might run at the track... And he said the # I had in my head based on that car being 3700-3750 raceweight. I have always found them to be very credible. The reality is that all performance companies want to go fast, and be the fastest. I'll get off the Cartek soapbox, but I have found the Julio makes the same distinctions that I do with respect to vehicle weight and performance gains.

Getting back on point, let us know what the car does thru the Dynatech headers!

2002SS

Wow!! Just when you think the childish madness is over, and the thread is permanently locked, someone starts a new thread and the fighting begins again.

There are a lot of people who have really fast cars on this forum. Some with stock bottom end, others with crazy custom engines with gobs of HP. Anyone can make a car fast if you dump enough money into it. Some people do their homework and carefully choose a package that will meet all their needs. Some people don't give a lot of thought to their car mods and buy engine packages and then realize it doesn't meet their needs,and get another package to try and better their previous.

Just like computers, engine packages are getting better and better with time. If you looked back a year or so ago, you wouldn't find very many head and cam packages even topping the 400 RWHP mark in an M6.. Now it is almost the standard baseline of a good head and cam package.

Whether someone lies or not, an engine package is only as good as the people who design it, install it, and maintain it. If you buy crap, your car will run like crap.

There are many good head and cam vendors out there making serious power. I am very happy with my package, and it produced some of the highest HP numbers in the country for a head and cam car. But you don't hear me bragging and acting like a baby trying to put down other peoples packages.

I am very interested in how JS's car will run at the track, and I am sure I will be there to see it run at a few local events. Until then, I trust Julios dyno numbers and what he says about JS's car. I have always know Julio to be honest and upfront about his findings.

Good luck with all your cars. Lets all kick some butt at the track this year.

Dan

Pro Stock John

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Were JS' dyno #'s thru open headers by the way?

mmiller

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Way to go PSJ.

Some people need to think about how arrogant they sound before they type. Sheesh!

Jay 95WS6

I've been pretty quiet on this so far but I think it's time to put this to rest. What JS had in his car or what he didn't have in his car is moot, if you want to know what it was, and how it ran the parts are for sale and can be purchased by any interested party. JS has gone with a new combo and we all will see how it runs when it gets to the track. Weather it has 375 or 405 0r 450 rwhp, the mph will let us know. The chrondeks won't lie.

.....and now back to the childish name calling and ridculous innuendo

Jay Fisher

The Juggernaut

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Terry, I called Cartek and they said you were
absolutely right.JS's new combo made exactly
1 RWHP and 1 RWTQ less than yours.
You're right, we're so sorry.
Is there any possible way you can be quiet now?

NYNJRacer

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No, I don't think he can. He has permanent diarrhea of the mouth.. Or maybe some oddball turrets syndrome where he just spouts off this garbage uncontrollably.. He doesn't know anything, so why bother trying to explain it to him.. We had 4 3-year old kids come into the shop today and it only took 3 min to explain it to them.. Oh, they thought he was an ^&$##$, too... See, no name calling... lol
Abe <img src="graemlins/gr_judge.gif" border="0" alt="[judgement]" />

bspz28

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Well i'll start with the name calling Terry your an ******* !!! what gives you the right to come on to the board and bash the sponsors and the members <img src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" border="0"> All the sponsors work very hard and take great pride in what they do . And we sure don't need a ***** like you to ???? what numbers they are making on the dyno's or at the track . If you have a problem with any of the members or sponcers come out and look at the cars for yourself.

I am getting sick and tired of reading all the bullshit on here and it's has got to stop. All of us are doing this for the love of the sport and we don't need ppl like you bringing the board down..

Dave and Julio are friends of mine and I spoke to many of the other sponsors on here and they all put there hearts into what they do. well I am finish for now have a nice day <img src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" border="0" alt="[devil]" />

Pete

P.S. Js's car sounds bad *** I was at cartek getting my Stealth TQ arm installed and I had a chance to listen to the car along with Mikes 408 car also. <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">

[ February 01, 2002: Message edited by: bspz28 ]</p>