Thunder 227/227 111lsa.....Me thinks I am gonna try it
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I think I am gonna give it a shot. I would love the tq of the 111 lsa and the bottom end saving ~6200-6300 shift points. With the lobe family that Thunder uses, this cam will be plenty streetable with a lil tinkering.
I am gonna do it. I ain't skeerd <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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I am gonna do it. I ain't skeerd <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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I'll be very interested in your results. I just made a post on a very similar topic. Will you be getting this cam soon, or are you in the 'planning' phase? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
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Has any one went 108LSA's on these cars yet? I'm sure with computer tuning idle can be OK.
Midrange TQ charge should rock.
Midrange TQ charge should rock.
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Josh, I'm slightly curious now. I remember talking to you about this idea before anyone really mentioned reverse split cams. You told me if I remember right that making a bigger intake duration and/or lift than exhaust wouldn't really help. You only can flow so much, and it wouldn't work very well. Why the change of mind?
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Ooops... I thought you put 227/224, sorry about that. But if you did mean 227/224 then please tell me why your thoughts have changed.
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please let us know. From wht I have been reading and researching, I'm a cam idiot <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" /> this appears to be a cam I have been dreaming of. Maybe even on 110. I would love a mean sounding idle, a ton of torque (I have a fat-*** convertible, and don't want to go much above 6200-6300.
What about a 108?
What heads? I am planning on keeping mine stock.
Please let us know.
What about a 108?
What heads? I am planning on keeping mine stock.
Please let us know.
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Senior folks at Comp were not too excited about LSA's below 110.
I ran 236/240//111 and a 228/228/111 last year in my stock 346. Both idled fine with programming. BradWS6 ran a 111 LSA too. Fastech ran a 110 LSA two years ago.
I ran 236/240//111 and a 228/228/111 last year in my stock 346. Both idled fine with programming. BradWS6 ran a 111 LSA too. Fastech ran a 110 LSA two years ago.
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Well since comp wasn't keep on 110LSA, need to try something like a super tight 104-106LSA.
Something with short duration, quick ramps and a tight LSA should be able to produce nut busting cyllinder pressures.
Something with short duration, quick ramps and a tight LSA should be able to produce nut busting cyllinder pressures.
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Azzhauler, this cam will be in the car within the next 3 weeks or so. I am in the middle of gathering parts to rebuild my shortblock, along with a few little additions to the top end of the motor <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> . I will glady post how it works for me!
Jason, there typing is correct. I meant 227/227 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> .
The cam isn't listed on they're site, but it can be gotten <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> .
Guys, I do not really recommend going any lower than a 111 lsa with these cars. Maybe in a 422+ ci motor, but any 346 motor should stick with 111+ IMHO.
I'll post the results ASAP....
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Jason, there typing is correct. I meant 227/227 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> .
The cam isn't listed on they're site, but it can be gotten <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> .
Guys, I do not really recommend going any lower than a 111 lsa with these cars. Maybe in a 422+ ci motor, but any 346 motor should stick with 111+ IMHO.
I'll post the results ASAP....
Josh
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LSA and overlap are not exactly the same.
For example:
take a cam that is
220@.05", 114LSA, .550" lift
cam of same lift profile with
224@.05", 114LSA, .550" lift
Will have increased overlap by more than the 220 cam as:
220@.05", 112LSA, .550" lift.
A 230@.05" cam with 112LSA will have more overlap on similar lobe profile with 224@.05" and 108LSA.
It all depends on what the motor wants.
For example:
take a cam that is
220@.05", 114LSA, .550" lift
cam of same lift profile with
224@.05", 114LSA, .550" lift
Will have increased overlap by more than the 220 cam as:
220@.05", 112LSA, .550" lift.
A 230@.05" cam with 112LSA will have more overlap on similar lobe profile with 224@.05" and 108LSA.
It all depends on what the motor wants.
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Im happy to see Thunder coming out with a bigger cam. I love my 224 112, but when I do heads I'd like to go a little bigger. Interested to see what happens. <img border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" title="" src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" />
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I think the 228/228 111LSA XE-R cam would be sweet too <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> Forget about emissions though haha <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Cheers,
Chris
Cheers,
Chris
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Chris ARE 360:
<strong>I think the 228/228 111LSA XE-R cam would be sweet too <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> Forget about emissions though haha <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Cheers,
Chris</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ahhh Chris, get off your soapbox about those XE-r cams <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" /> ......j/k
Like Jason has said, the Thunder cams use similar lobes to that of the XE-r cams. I would much rather run something similar and not have to worry about machining and modifying for double springs when I can just run some 918's and call it a day <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> .
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<small>[ April 24, 2002, 09:05 PM: Message edited by: Damian ]</small>
<strong>I think the 228/228 111LSA XE-R cam would be sweet too <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> Forget about emissions though haha <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Cheers,
Chris</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ahhh Chris, get off your soapbox about those XE-r cams <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" /> ......j/k
Like Jason has said, the Thunder cams use similar lobes to that of the XE-r cams. I would much rather run something similar and not have to worry about machining and modifying for double springs when I can just run some 918's and call it a day <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> .
Josh
<small>[ April 24, 2002, 09:05 PM: Message edited by: Damian ]</small>
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Would that 111 LSA and 227/227 be ok in a 01 SS M6. Oh yeah... definatly with stock heads <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
What do you guys think?
Thanks, Chris
What do you guys think?
Thanks, Chris
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 01SStud:
<strong>Would that 111 LSA and 227/227 be ok in a 01 SS M6. Oh yeah... definatly with stock heads <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
What do you guys think?
Thanks, Chris</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Chris, I will let ya know in a couple of weeks <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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<strong>Would that 111 LSA and 227/227 be ok in a 01 SS M6. Oh yeah... definatly with stock heads <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
What do you guys think?
Thanks, Chris</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Chris, I will let ya know in a couple of weeks <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
josh
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by blazinredls1:
<strong>whats the lift on this cam? regual price on the TR 224 cam? Sounds interesting.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">.569 lift on the 227 lobe (w/ 1.7 rockers); $429.99 regular price
<small>[ April 24, 2002, 10:48 PM: Message edited by: Jason99T/A ]</small>
<strong>whats the lift on this cam? regual price on the TR 224 cam? Sounds interesting.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">.569 lift on the 227 lobe (w/ 1.7 rockers); $429.99 regular price
<small>[ April 24, 2002, 10:48 PM: Message edited by: Jason99T/A ]</small>