Nine Ball

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This is an interesting graph for all of you that have considered swapping from an A4 to an M6 tranny. One of the local guys, Anthony H., recently had MTI build him:

All-bore 382ci (stock crank, 4.100" resleeved block)
Stage 3 LS6 heads (I=2.08" E=1.60")
MTI "R1" hydraulic cam (232/237 .574/.574 114)
MAC headers w/custom 3" Y-pipe
Borla catback

His car was orignally an A4, as the lowest hp graph shows (converter locked up on the dyno run). Last week he had MTI convert the car to an M6 (with dual-disk Mcleod) and look at the results!

<img src="https://ls1tech.com/dynojet/MTI382LS6.jpg" alt=" - " />

results:
480.1 rwhp & 464.5 ft-lbs with an M6 (cutout open)
470.6 rwhp & 457.3 ft-lbs with an M6 (thru closed Borla)
457.2 rwhp & 441.6 ft-lbs with an A4 (cutout open)

Needless to say, Anthony is MUCH happier with the M6 and how much more fun this car has become <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

480 rwhp from a hydraulic cammed 382ci. FUN!

onfire

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Talk about bang for the buck...those are huge numbers with a stock crank...better than some superstrokers....I'm suprised the hp jumped that much from a locked converter to a mn6...was he using a lightweight converter or stock?

Nine Ball

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Anthony had a Vigilante 3200. He always regretted buying an A4, and finally did the swap after 4 years. He posts here as "AJH LS1"

Tony

VINCE

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Another Awesome Setup from MTI..

JS

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Just like I thought.There were alot of people saying this wouldnt happen back when I asked this question.I knew they were wrong.

Now its been proven.
Once and for a 6sp will ALWAYS dyno better than a auto with the same package.Thank the LS1 Gods for proven it.

Bottem line that is a stout setup.
382 IMO is the way to go.

JS

<small>[ May 11, 2002, 11:18 PM: Message edited by: JS ]</small>

Trevor @ Texas Speed & Perf.

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Thanks for the info Tony. I, too, always said that there's no way an A4 can dyno as high as an M6, holding the mods constant. I'll still take my slushbox and fat stall. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

That is some MAJOR bang-for-the-buck! Just as a comparison, I managed 427 RWHP in March '01 with a locked converter in my T/A w/ the Lunati stroker kit, even using the same cam. MTI's all-bore made an additional 30 RWHP over my setup! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> I think I just needed a nice set of MTI's heads to make the setup scream. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

<small>[ May 11, 2002, 11:31 PM: Message edited by: Trevor D ]</small>

Nine Ball

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Hey Trevor, your old silver T/A is back at MTI. It currently dynos at 500 rwhp with the converter locked and the MTI 422ci. The owner wants even more now, I hear it is about to get a TH350/brake setup and possibly a solid roller <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

That car still looks beautiful, you would still be proud of it.

Tony

MMI Z28

i thought everyone knew a A4 would dyno less?
i would like to see track times before i give up my auto though.

-Watson <--fast shifting ****

VINCE

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No question that the Auto with stall is going to be quicker in the 1/4th. The M6 is just going to trap higher.

kewlbrz

Nice numbers. I was one of the first promoters of LS1 all-bore technology long ago. Nice to see them finally coming of age. Now if we could get some number on one with LQ9 heads and forced induction. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

-shawn
www.vetteguru.com
2001 Yellow C5 Ragtop MN6 - some mods
2000 Silver C5 Ragtop MN6 - totalled
1979 Corvette L82/4spd/4.10:1 - 377ci (destroked 400)

<small>[ May 12, 2002, 09:19 AM: Message edited by: kewlbrz ]</small>

Trevor @ Texas Speed & Perf.

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Damn, he didn't last long w/ "just" a 422 cid! LOL! I would love to see the car again. Does he still have the ROH wheels on it? I think he should let me make a pass in it once it's all done, for old times sake. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> I had a LOT of fun with that car, but I can honestly say that I don't miss it all that much. I jumped in too deep way too early in the game, and technology w/ LS1 stuff was passing me by faster than I could update! That gets too damned expensive, too. My SS with a set of heads will surpass my T/A's ET with the 383! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> This will be the SECOND time that a TH350 makes it into that car. It's gonna be fast as hell!

Nine Ball

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Sometimes it shows up on ROH wheels, sometimes on the Pro Stars. Its definitely a FINE looking car Trevor. And you are right, you jumped in too early on the stroker setup <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Tony

Mike C

Just out of curiosity what would be more cost effective all bore 382 or a stroker kit. I had someone being quoted like 3k!! for just resleaving the block.Plus this does not include pistons rings etc. By the time you are done I would say that both kits are equall in pricing.
Just a matter of which would perform better. Does anyone know what sleeves they use for this set up.

MikeC

Nine Ball

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The sleeves are about $500-600 a set (custom). The machining to the block is probably about a grand or less.

But, with the bigger bore you unshroud the valves more and have the potential to make more HP than with an all-stroke 382ci with a stock bore.

Tony

PK 01somWS6

great numbers, I always knew the all bores had the potential to make the power, I wish I could have more time to play with mine, the best it made was 457/434, and I miss that power <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" />
-peter

HP-GURU

If this is a single cut out setup, theres 10-20rwhp more left in there from going to unbolted exhaust.

Our reverse split stock head guy that did 410rwhp did 401rwhp before dropping exhaust and adding 6" extensions on the collectors.

These numbers challenge some of the 422 numbers out there.

Fulton 1

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Damn those are some nice numbers on that 382. Congrats to Tony and the guys at MTI for really promoting this all-bore setup - the all-bore 382 has to be one of the best bang-for-buck setups going <img border="0" alt="[Burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" />

Now, if only I could come up with $9000... <img border="0" alt="[Camaro]" title="" src="graemlins/camaro.gif" />

The Guy in MY 99TA

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Hey Trevor, your old silver T/A is back at MTI. It currently dynos at 500 rwhp with the converter locked and the MTI 422ci. The owner wants even more now, I hear it is about to get a TH350/brake setup and possibly a solid roller

That car still looks beautiful, you would still be proud of it.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Is the owner of the car about a 40 year old black guy?? If he is I saw the car about 2 weeks ago at the race track in Hattiesburg, MS. The car I saw has a Raptor hood and also had Pro Stars. Im thinking this was the car... He said it had just came from MTI. I was very impressed with the car!!! I wish he would have made a nitrous pass!!!! I would have liked to have seen some single diget numbers.

Josh S.

1 Bad Z

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Nine Ball:
<strong>Hey Trevor, your old silver T/A is back at MTI. It currently dynos at 500 rwhp with the converter locked and the MTI 422ci. The owner wants even more now, I hear it is about to get a TH350/brake setup and possibly a solid roller <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

That car still looks beautiful, you would still be proud of it.

Tony</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It has also gone on a serious diet!! Bumpers, a/c, A.I.R., Egr, seats, Tubular K-member/control arms, Strange Lightweight front brake kit, Chassis eng. torque arm, gear change, and a few other secrets! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

We will be bringing this car to the track and I am going to get some seat time in it before it goes back to Louisiana <img border="0" alt="[Burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" />

Damn I love customers like him!!! <img border="0" alt="[Firebird]" title="" src="graemlins/formula.gif" />

Chris Jones

What's the idle like? That's a big cam, even for a 382.