poolfanatic

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I'd recommend subframes, LCA's, panhard rod and strut tower brace for starters.

I've got all BMR equipment on mine, except for the subframes which are Hotchkis.

RAGEman

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by poolfanatic:
<strong>I'd recommend subframes, LCA's, panhard rod and strut tower brace for starters.

I've got all BMR equipment on mine, except for the subframes which are Hotchkis.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'd say definitely do the LCA's and subframe connectors (we all already have subframes). Those two things are universal suspension mods. Good for any type of application.

nysbadmk8

i can feel it bang on the chassis.... its moving slighty i guess... ill get it looked at... im looking at a good "all around package" whats a good tourqe arm? also sway bars? whats good out there?

poolfanatic

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I thought that being a heads/cam and ex Mustang guy that he'd know what I was talking about.

Man, you're tough! Can't you cut an uneducated, ill mannered white boy a little slack? My spelling and english skillz needz a littttle helpp.

<img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

nysbadmk8

man you got me confused.... im new to this gm stuff.. been a ford man all my life... all 18 years.. so time for reforming :-)

RAGEman

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by poolfanatic:
<strong>Can't you cut an uneducated, ill mannered white boy a little slack?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Absolutely not!!! I just was wondering if anyone in the world knew that there was quite a difference between subframes and subframe connectors.

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poolfanatic

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LG Motorsports has good suspension products as does BMR and Hotchkis.

I went with BMR based on their prices versus everyone elses and am very happy. At the very least go with some subframe connectors, lower control arms and a strut tower brace. You can add the other stuff later as you need to.

nysbadmk8

lol i didnt even notice that... well i knew what you where talking about <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

poolfanatic

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See, people do understand me!

(Well except my ex-wife and her family, but that's another story! <img border="0" alt="[fight]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_punch.gif" /> )

I think this is the most civil thread I've ever been involved in! Kind of refreshing.

nysbadmk8

ok time to flame <img border="0" alt="[fight]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_punch.gif" /> lol

poolfanatic

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I'm out. Time to go pick up my G/F.

Take it easy and be careful.

VINCE

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Wow... This grew quick..

CHRISPY

I have the ASP crank and alt UD pullies and have no problems at all. (Idle is at 975)
Cheers,
Chris

RAGEman

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by poolfanatic:
<strong>LG Motorsports has good suspension products as does BMR and Hotchkis.

I went with BMR based on their prices versus everyone elses and am very happy. At the very least go with some subframe connectors, lower control arms and a strut tower brace. You can add the other stuff later as you need to.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">HA! This is awesome; we're not even discussing what the topic of this thread originally was. WOOOOOOOOOO!!! Yeah, you really can't go wrong as far as which brand suspension you choose. I know fo sho that Lou (LG Motorsports) makes awesome suspension components, what with him being a master road-racer and having all the experience a guy could ever want and what not. BMR is also fine, very fine. Great product development and great prices. Hotchkis would work too. And let me just point out, for the record, that a strut-tower brace is not a mod that has been known to help straight-line performance. But, that's not all some of you guys care about, which is A-OK. You'll love it when you're taking a turn, though. Not everyone wants every single drop of HP and straight-line performance they can get like me!

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by nysbadmk8:
<strong>lol i didnt even notice that... well i knew what you where talking about <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So did I. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by poolfanatic:
<strong>See, people do understand me!

(Well except my ex-wife and her family, but that's another story! <img border="0" alt="[fight]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_punch.gif" /> )

I think this is the most civil thread I've ever been involved in! Kind of refreshing.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Word. My g/f's family are all a bunch of dirty ******. I wish them all terrible pain and a torturous death. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> Well, not really, but you know.

Yeah, I've never seen the need for flames. It's always refreshing to me when I'm able to work things out logically with people instead of them taking offense to everything I say w/o taking the time to READ what I've said!!!

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by VINCE:
<strong>Wow... This grew quick..</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, see what you missed?

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Chris ARE 360:
<strong>I have the ASP crank and alt UD pullies and have no problems at all. (Idle is at 975)
Cheers,
Chris</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's a little different for you, though, isn't it, Chris? You had custom tuning done AFTER the pullies were already on your car, correct? Well, I guess that means if he gets his PCM re-tuned, after the MAF and the pullies, he'll be good to go, right?

nysbadmk8

i will look into the pulleys... suspension stuff will be soon

Terry Burger

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
1) A4 tranny (locked converter)
2) no ported TB, stock MAF, no underdrive pulley
3) different car
EDIT: 4) not enough break-in mileage
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">1) The locked A4 tranny will out dyno a M6 in most cases.
2) The ported TB/MAF/UD pulley may or may not help, depending on the tuning and package. I picked up 0 rwhp with my UD pulley and ported MAF, and about 5 with the ported TB.
3) With new heads/cam/tuning the starting point should be moot.
4) Doesn't mean anything. I didn't pick up power going from 400 to 5500 miles on my 2001.

RAGEman

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Terry Burger:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
1) A4 tranny (locked converter)
2) no ported TB, stock MAF, no underdrive pulley
3) different car
EDIT: 4) not enough break-in mileage
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">1) The locked A4 tranny will out dyno a M6 in most cases.
2) The ported TB/MAF/UD pulley may or may not help, depending on the tuning and package. I picked up 0 rwhp with my UD pulley and ported MAF, and about 5 with the ported TB.
3) With new heads/cam/tuning the starting point should be moot.
4) Doesn't mean anything. I didn't pick up power going from 400 to 5500 miles on my 2001.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">1. No it won't.
2. True dat, but LIKELY he will pick up at least 5-10 horses.
3. Huh?
4. Yes, it does mean a lot. You dyno'd your car at 400 and 5500 with the exact same mods and didn't pick up ANY? If so, I'd say you're an abnormality.

CHRISPY

Terry a locked A4 tranny doesnt outdyno a M6. check out MTI's results with the 393 ci setup they converted to an M6 from an A4. There was a significant difference with the only change being the tranny.
Cheers,
Chris

Max@Cartek

You would have to go to a highly modified auto to get a higher drive line efficiency than a manual. So in most cases a auto can't touch an m6.

RAGEman

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by TrahnZam WS6:
<strong>Just thought I would point out if Cartek tuned the car via LS1 Edit he will most likely lose power switching to a different MAF.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What if he gets a ported or larger MAF and then gets it tuned again?

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by nysbadmk8:
<strong>im staying with a stock maf.. mine has a high rpm problem...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If you find and fix the high-RPM problem, then switch to a better-flowing MAF, you could gain even MORE HP. Not to mention, high-RPM problems are bad, mmmkay?

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>the powerband and touqreband are very flat...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's a good thing.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>all i want is 11.5's n/a and 10.9's on juice</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Vince and I were discussing that possiblity; what tires are you planning on using?

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Nick's WS6:
<strong>what kind of dyno matters on reporting rwhp. If it was a Mustang dyno the numbers will be a bit lower than other proples who use a Dynojet.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Heh. I always thought Mustangs needed all the help on the dyno they could get! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Ragtop 99:
<strong>While you can't compare accross dynos, 390 from an A4 is a good number. More HP than I dynoed and very close to Raughammer's #. Who knows what HP we would report if we all showed up at TR's dyno, for example. 20 HP variances between dynos are not uncommon.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Anywhere from 370 RWHP to 410 RWHP, I guess. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Chris ARE 360:
<strong>I dynoed 385RWHP and 439RWTQ and ran 122.60mph
I think your numbers are pretty good, dynos dont mean **** as anything besides a tuning tool. Track results are where its at.
Cheers,
Chris</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, with your converter UNlocked!!!! You sly devil, you. He still hasn't mentioned his peak torque value. I certainly agree that track results are where it's at. I'll just reiterate my previous statement that peak horsepower readings are not the tell-all tale until someone agrees with me. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Terry Burger:
<strong>Why was my post deleted? I simply asked how one car can dyno 440-450rwhp and the next one 390rwhp with the same packages? It doesn't seem very consistant to me!

FWIW I did 400rwhp (unlocked converter) when I first put my MMS stage 2 heads, 224v3.1 cam in. After tuning, 229 cam upgrade, and an EWP I got that up to 435rwhp. If you keep chipping away you can improve that number.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Dude, your post was deleted because you are Terry Burger!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />

<img border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" title="" src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" />

The only reason I'm making an issue of this is because if a potential heads/cam customer of one of our sponsors starts browsing this forum and sees 445 RWHP (MTI's latest result) and reads the thread about MTI and LG's dyno sheet wars, then sees 390 RWHP from a Cartek heads/cam customer, w/o further looking into the particulars of the dyno pulls (which is highly likely), they may unfairly exclude Cartek from their consideration. That's why I am trying to make manifest all the details about these results that I can.

<small>[ June 07, 2002, 01:21 PM: Message edited by: RAGEman ]</small>