Do any shops market small cams anymore? why NOT?
03-27-2007, 10:18 PM
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Well many of you have gotten parts of the reason for this big cam trend, by which i mean you've touched on the fact that its young kids impressed by steep curves and high peak numbers, where do you see this stuff more than anything? IMPORTS, I'm sure many young LS1 owners have experience with them and look what they do to 4 bangers, 70mm+ turbo to get huge numbers between 6000-8000+RPM's and nothing else and its off the hook yo, who cares if it only runs 11's.
03-27-2007, 11:48 PM
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I started this thread, https://ls1tech.com/forums/drag-racing-results/680890-big-cam-vs-small-cam-1-4-times.html
to try and prove the same point that has been made in this thread. I am happy to know that there are still a lot of us on this forum that know that bigger is not always better. I think the point has been made, sticky maybe?
to try and prove the same point that has been made in this thread. I am happy to know that there are still a lot of us on this forum that know that bigger is not always better. I think the point has been made, sticky maybe?
03-28-2007, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 35thUCF
Pro Stock Idle and Small size- ASA cam!
As to another poster's question, I've run 11.6 in a fullweight vert with a 224/224 114. If I had the quality of heads that are available today, we can bench race and figure that another .2 or so would have come off.
03-28-2007, 08:44 AM
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I bought my first LS1 in 2000, had it for about 2 1/2 years...had to sell it...then got another one about 6 months ago. I have to admit that the difference in horsepower production was amazing in just 3 years. The Hotcam I had back then was deemed to have bad driveability back then.
I started looking at cams for my new car and have to admit that the lure of huge cam only numbers, that equaled and surpassed the best H/C numbers of the past, was VERY enticing.
I was dead set on the 228R, after much reading, as being the new best all around DD cam that would give you great power potential, but decided to go with the T2 cam for a little more top-end power. If I had to do it again, I probably would go 228R, but at the time I bought the cam I didn't think heads would be in my budgeting anytime in the near future. The driveability is not bad, but it is nothing like stock was, IMO.
I would just like to say this;
If you are planning to do Heads AND Cam on your DD, then go with a smaller cam and really spend the time matching the heads. If no heads are in your future and you do not get annoyed easily or drive your car much, then go as big as you want.
I can vouch first hand that dyno numbers don't matter too much and thats hard to say for a numbers person like myself
I started looking at cams for my new car and have to admit that the lure of huge cam only numbers, that equaled and surpassed the best H/C numbers of the past, was VERY enticing.
I was dead set on the 228R, after much reading, as being the new best all around DD cam that would give you great power potential, but decided to go with the T2 cam for a little more top-end power. If I had to do it again, I probably would go 228R, but at the time I bought the cam I didn't think heads would be in my budgeting anytime in the near future. The driveability is not bad, but it is nothing like stock was, IMO.
I would just like to say this;
If you are planning to do Heads AND Cam on your DD, then go with a smaller cam and really spend the time matching the heads. If no heads are in your future and you do not get annoyed easily or drive your car much, then go as big as you want.
I can vouch first hand that dyno numbers don't matter too much and thats hard to say for a numbers person like myself
03-28-2007, 01:11 PM
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12.1@115mph w/ 1.7x sixty foot out of a TR224/224 car with Mac headers. That was back when the car was more daily driver. I have since jumped ship to a "huge" cam, although the car is purpose built now spending 99% of it's time at the track.
03-29-2007, 09:04 AM
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gomer did a 226/228-588 on a 114 for me and it runs just has strong as most of the larger cam cars in the area, if you have the cubes then sure go a little larger, but i always smile at the other guys while they are seeing my bumper!
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03-29-2007, 09:34 AM
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I have run the same H/C combo since 2001. Ported stock heads and a MMS 224 cam {.561 lift} This runs great and has made between 401 and 413 rwhp. The driveability is like stock and has run 11.65 with 3.23 gears and a small converter, full weight car. Now the car has a m6 with 3.42s and is road raced. If I were to do anything it would be to install some AFR/TFS heads. The 2001 porting job has huge ports that kill some low end compared to todays heads. I would leave the 224 though.
03-29-2007, 05:26 PM
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well now im kinda worried. I bought an MTI X1 cam because i figured it was still below that line of being too big and i thought since it was going in a 6.0 liter id be ok. Am I wrong? The motor is still apart so i can still change my cam without too much trouble and maybe start scouting for a 226 or so.
03-29-2007, 10:43 PM
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This thread is awesome! I did exactly as discussed here when I thought out my combo. Great heads, mild cam, thought through with all the details. It payed off with awesome peak numbers, pulls everywhere, sounds great, and drives as close to stock as you could ask for.
As for the guy asking for track times...well due to babying the 10bolt to a bogging 1.9 60ft on Nittos, the E.T. isn't anything special, but the 122 mph traps in a full weight car satisfied me
As for the guy asking for track times...well due to babying the 10bolt to a bogging 1.9 60ft on Nittos, the E.T. isn't anything special, but the 122 mph traps in a full weight car satisfied me
03-29-2007, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by gator's 99TA
patrick i understand what you are talking about. but this proves my point on why the tuners are NOT selling the small cams.
call it peer pressure. then when the person actually calls a vendor and the vendor recommends a smaller cam, they get hit with the; "well, i read on the internet (repeat list above). the customer has the mindset of they have to have a bigger cam, or they'll regret it. so, the vendor tries to sift through all the mess the customer has read, to get them the correct cam. it's still up to the customer on what they want.
the vendor then ultimately sells the customer what they want. the customer has been informed about all their options. this can be where the problem lies. the customer has too much info in their head, may or may not fully comprehend what they have taken in, and make their decision.
my overall opinion on the subject:
internet can be useful and harmful. read all you can, but listen more to the vendor that has been around doing this stuff longer than most internet people.
just my take on the subject.
03-29-2007, 11:48 PM
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There is a guy that gets on www.kyhorsepower.com who has a dark green 3rd gen camaro that is absolutely gorgeous and has a cam and bolt on LS1 with the 224 cam. He recently blistered the 1/4 mile at Clay City, KY with a 124.6 mph run. No nitrous, no other power adders, CAM ONLY 6spd with stock 241 heads (if not 853's) but definitely not LS6 heads.
Alot of what is being said in this thread is why I am changing cams as well. I finally decided on a 232/236 LSK lobes on a 110+2. I will be doing this very soon and taking out my TREX V2. The TREX is a monster, but not until 4000+ rpms and I want more down low, but still with top end. Reading what guys like Patrick G and others have written to people about smaller durations and seeing the performance of the LSK lobes has moved me away from the monster cams.
Alot of what is being said in this thread is why I am changing cams as well. I finally decided on a 232/236 LSK lobes on a 110+2. I will be doing this very soon and taking out my TREX V2. The TREX is a monster, but not until 4000+ rpms and I want more down low, but still with top end. Reading what guys like Patrick G and others have written to people about smaller durations and seeing the performance of the LSK lobes has moved me away from the monster cams.