What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA??
What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? I'm still getting educated on all this H/C stuff so please bear with me <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Duration @ .050: 226 Intake / 236 Exhaust .525/.525 Lift with aforementioned 110 LSA
Almost forgot, this would be going in with S2 Heads.
<small>[ November 12, 2002, 11:31 PM: Message edited by: The Dragon ]</small>
Duration @ .050: 226 Intake / 236 Exhaust .525/.525 Lift with aforementioned 110 LSA
Almost forgot, this would be going in with S2 Heads.
<small>[ November 12, 2002, 11:31 PM: Message edited by: The Dragon ]</small>
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Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? Biggest problem is your idle will be very rough. Given lift numbers you quoted the ramps on that cam don't look too agressive. The 110 LSA + relatively high duration = lots of overlap = low vacuum at idle. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
Your power will be peakier than with a wider LSA, coming on faster and falling off a bit sooner. You will see higher peak torque and better torque throughout the midrange. You will really be able to feel when you are on this cam and in your sweet spot. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Even with an M6 you may want to program for a higher idle. I did and am idling at 900 RPM with a smaller, 112 LSA cam. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Your power will be peakier than with a wider LSA, coming on faster and falling off a bit sooner. You will see higher peak torque and better torque throughout the midrange. You will really be able to feel when you are on this cam and in your sweet spot. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Even with an M6 you may want to program for a higher idle. I did and am idling at 900 RPM with a smaller, 112 LSA cam. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? So the only problem you foresee is idle? Where would this theoretically peak? Set-up for the Firehawk
Thanks! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
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Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? I'm at 110.8 LSA, my car hunts for idle for about 10 seconds at startup and comes close to dying when I stomp on the brakes. It also surges below 1500rpms at times.....I do have an aluminum flywheel which doesn't help much.
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Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? Dragon,
That sounds like the ASA Hotcam. Might do a search for that. I know there a couple of folks on here running it.
Edit: Here's one link that may help...
https://ls1tech.com/ubb/ultimatebb.p...1;t=005656;p=1
<small>[ November 13, 2002, 01:40 PM: Message edited by: Fulton 1 ]</small>
That sounds like the ASA Hotcam. Might do a search for that. I know there a couple of folks on here running it.
Edit: Here's one link that may help...
https://ls1tech.com/ubb/ultimatebb.p...1;t=005656;p=1
<small>[ November 13, 2002, 01:40 PM: Message edited by: Fulton 1 ]</small>
Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Pro Stock John:
<strong>Not many 110 cam users on the board...
Vince
Kechme
Nicky from SDPC
So many 111 lsa cars idle well that I think that you can get a 110 car to idle okay.
Folks talk about reversion when going with more radical LSA's.
I think the cam will peak like 200~ish below that cam on a 112. That cam on a 112 used to be pretty popular (with more lift). I have heard of that cam on a 112 peaking at 6400 most of the time.
Have you been advised to significantly increase compression to fully take advantage of that camshaft, due to bleed off?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I was not made aware of the higher compression. How much lost/gained by doing/not doing higher compression?
What do ya think of this? I was thinkin' about TR 224 as well . . .
<strong>Not many 110 cam users on the board...
Vince
Kechme
Nicky from SDPC
So many 111 lsa cars idle well that I think that you can get a 110 car to idle okay.
Folks talk about reversion when going with more radical LSA's.
I think the cam will peak like 200~ish below that cam on a 112. That cam on a 112 used to be pretty popular (with more lift). I have heard of that cam on a 112 peaking at 6400 most of the time.
Have you been advised to significantly increase compression to fully take advantage of that camshaft, due to bleed off?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I was not made aware of the higher compression. How much lost/gained by doing/not doing higher compression?
What do ya think of this? I was thinkin' about TR 224 as well . . .
Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? Hey Vince, how do you like your cam?
I'm old-school, I don't mind a lope <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Fulton1: Bingo! ASA hotcam <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
I'm old-school, I don't mind a lope <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Fulton1: Bingo! ASA hotcam <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? Thanks PSJ for mentioning the compression issue. I forgot to bring that up as well.. It seems that the bigger cams love compression to offset the lowend power loss that is associated with going with a huge cam. However, the 110 lsa will help in that dept.. Whomever you have do your heads make sure you tell them what cam you are running. Have you decided on what castings yet for your heads? I wish my friends would chime in and tell you how my cam idles and the minimal amount of lope you will feel and hear.. Your cam however will lope. I heard the ASA cams are on fast ramps as well, but I am not sure.. Do you have the cam card?
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Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? Vinces cam idlled great. I was very surprised. To me...basically his idle was a non issue. Good enough for 99% of drivers.
Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by VINCE:
<strong>Thanks PSJ for mentioning the compression issue. I forgot to bring that up as well.. It seems that the bigger cams love compression to offset the lowend power loss that is associated with going with a huge cam. However, the 110 lsa will help in that dept.. Whomever you have do your heads make sure you tell them what cam you are running. Have you decided on what castings yet for your heads? I wish my friends would chime in and tell you how my cam idles and the minimal amount of lope you will feel and hear.. Your cam however will lope. I heard the ASA cams are on fast ramps as well, but I am not sure.. Do you have the cam card?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't have the card, but I do think it's a fast ramp.
BTW, guess I should mention this car would see very little strip.
Mainly daily street use <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
<strong>Thanks PSJ for mentioning the compression issue. I forgot to bring that up as well.. It seems that the bigger cams love compression to offset the lowend power loss that is associated with going with a huge cam. However, the 110 lsa will help in that dept.. Whomever you have do your heads make sure you tell them what cam you are running. Have you decided on what castings yet for your heads? I wish my friends would chime in and tell you how my cam idles and the minimal amount of lope you will feel and hear.. Your cam however will lope. I heard the ASA cams are on fast ramps as well, but I am not sure.. Do you have the cam card?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't have the card, but I do think it's a fast ramp.
BTW, guess I should mention this car would see very little strip.
Mainly daily street use <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? Guess I should go ahead and list the specs on the Stage II LS1 heads this cam would be ordered and set up with:
Ferrea Competition Valves (2.02"/1.57")
- Comp 918 Springs
- Machined Locks, Valve Guides, and Retainers
- Set Valve Springs to Cam Lift
Lift | Intake | Exhaust
100 / 63 / 57
200 / 145 / 106
300 / 215 / 149
400 / 259 / 192
450 / 275 / 207
500 / 284 / 219
550 / 292 / 223
600 / 301 / 225
Ferrea Competition Valves (2.02"/1.57")
- Comp 918 Springs
- Machined Locks, Valve Guides, and Retainers
- Set Valve Springs to Cam Lift
Lift | Intake | Exhaust
100 / 63 / 57
200 / 145 / 106
300 / 215 / 149
400 / 259 / 192
450 / 275 / 207
500 / 284 / 219
550 / 292 / 223
600 / 301 / 225
Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? Great flow #'s... I personally think more lift would fully utilize your heads.. I must have miss the part where you mentioned the which head castings you are using. Also if the heads have been milled and which head gasket you are using could help us help you as well.. I also want to point out I am a novice at all of this.. Even though I have shelled out much doe.. I am still learning.. Real tuners can give you better advice.. I can only be an expert on what I have tried so far.
Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? I don't think the Heads get milled.
Any problem with ordering the Thunder Racing Install Kit?
I was also thinking about goin' with the stock gaskets. My exhaust guy said they were VERY good.
Any problem with ordering the Thunder Racing Install Kit?
I was also thinking about goin' with the stock gaskets. My exhaust guy said they were VERY good.
Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by VINCE:
<strong>Are your heads 5.3L, 5.7L, 6.0L, or LS6?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">5.7 Stage 2 LS1
<strong>Are your heads 5.3L, 5.7L, 6.0L, or LS6?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">5.7 Stage 2 LS1
Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? This would be my opinion as well.
Just wondering why so many people are afraid of a cam with these specs <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
Just wondering why so many people are afraid of a cam with these specs <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? There are quite a few running the ASA cam. I am surprised they have not comment on this post. I personally like trying new cams.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by VINCE:
<strong>There are quite a few running the ASA cam. I am surprised they have not comment on this post. I personally like trying new cams.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Agreed about trying new cams, wonder why noone else has chimed in as well <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
<strong>There are quite a few running the ASA cam. I am surprised they have not comment on this post. I personally like trying new cams.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Agreed about trying new cams, wonder why noone else has chimed in as well <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />