Black Sunshine/ 00SS

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I'm refering to hyd. grinds. Thanks

Colonel

I assume you mean RWHP and with the converter locked?

To give you a little perspective, the S1 cam (244/244 .612/.612 112) has done 530 RWHP in Pain's car I believe. I think this was locked. With some dyno tricks (like 2.73s in a stock rearend, lightweight tires) maybe it would hit 550? I don't think that car has an electric water pump either.

More important than the cam selection will be the heads, the C/R, and the exhaust.

<small>[ December 03, 2002, 09:17 AM: Message edited by: Colonel ]</small>

Quickin

My new ARE 436 did 480 RWHP at 5000 rpm UNTUNED,(last week) just before 5000 rpm the fuel pressure started dropping off, it lost 3 psi right at 5000 then quickly dropped 10 more psi. I have a 242/242 .610.610 114 lsa.

I have the stock fuel pump, I was expecting to have a 230/230 cam but there was a little mix-up. The stock fuel pump would have been fine for that. Nick Agostino, wrong cam, need I say more <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" />

<small>[ December 03, 2002, 10:41 AM: Message edited by: Quickin ]</small>

EuG

Quickin,
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">My new ARE 436 did 480 RWHP at 5000 rpm UNTUNED,(last week)</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I wouldn’t be too disappointed after results like that.
My car makes ~458rwHP by 5000rpm and it makes 496rwHP. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
If you’re already up 20+ rwHP by 5K rpm, how much total power are you gonna make?! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

Quickin

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by EuG:
<strong>Quickin,
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">My new ARE 436 did 480 RWHP at 5000 rpm UNTUNED,(last week)</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I wouldn’t be too disappointed after results like that.
My car makes ~458rwHP by 5000rpm and it makes 496rwHP. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
If you’re already up 20+ rwHP by 5K rpm, how much total power are you gonna make?! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I was going to ask you just that. Dam, I should go over 500 easy, right? Only bad thing is, I didn't want this cam. I asked for a smother idle than I'm gonna have. I haven't picked the car up or heard it yet, maybe it'll be OK.

You can run better than 11.9 right?
Any problems with your motor at all?
How many miles?
Do you know how many ARE 436's there are?

Thanks

<small>[ December 03, 2002, 11:29 AM: Message edited by: Quickin ]</small>

Black Sunshine/ 00SS

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So 550 isn't realistic then, for what I have in mind. Solid cam would be nice on a big cube, but add all that extra $$ on top of the $$ of the motor, and not much left for anything else.

500 seems to be an easy goal with such a motor.

Quiken, that 242/242 looks to be about a medium cam for a big cube (if you go by the search results). I would be more than happy with those #. What injectors are you running with that?

EUG, what cam are you running?

What is the max compression one could run on a big cube motor & pump 93-94 gas?

What size injector does a big cube need?

Anything else that needs to be upgraded besides the fuel pump, and injectors?

Pro Stock John

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I'd say 11.5:1 for pump gas.

I'd go with what are advertised as 36 lb injectors for 500rwhp.

I think 480-500rwhp is doable with a hydraulic camshaft.

alexWS6

Has anyone ever pulled 550 before?

If not, whats the highest amount of rwhp someones gotten thru a big cube motor?

Quickin

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by EuG:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">…just wanted a street monster to deal with those pesky Vipers</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Getting off topic here, sorry, but since you asked <img border="0" alt="[devil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" />

http://www.billsaraceni.com/videos/funrun/MeVsAdam.avi

You need latest DiVX to view it.

Incidentally, I missed a gear in that one too <img border="0" title="" alt="[Embarrassed]" src="gr_emb.gif" /> LOL I’m not a bad driver I swear! LOL[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I went to the link and downloaded the Divx, it still won't play, just broken sound bits comes through.

Quickin

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Black Sunshine/ 00SS:
Quiken, that 242/242 looks to be about a medium cam for a big cube (if you go by the search results). I would be more than happy with those #. What injectors are you running with that?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">36 lb.. It is still a small cam, not that small though. I can still go quite a bit bigger. Nick Agostino told me that if I put a radical cam in there, 550 RWHP isn't impossible. Than there's solid rollers to. I don't know much about the whole cam thing, I just asked whats the highest RWHP I can go. I would like to build the highest N/A RWHP LS1 out there for a next project. I was told 600 is possible with a solid roller and a custom intake.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Anything else that needs to be upgraded besides the fuel pump, and injectors?[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Tranny, suspension, rear-end and the ball-sack. But I think you know that. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Quickin

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by alexWS6:
<strong>Has anyone ever pulled 550 before?

If not, whats the highest amount of rwhp someones gotten thru a big cube motor?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I think SW pulled 550, but he had a solid roller and I think 12.5:1. Anyone know about his compression for sure?

EuG

Quickin,

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I went to the link and downloaded the Divx, it still won't play, just broken sound bits comes through.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Make sure you got the latest DiVX (ver. 5.02) - http://www.divx.com/divx/

Here’s the same race from a different car http://www.mypipe.net/~rsmsupra/vide...iper_vs_c5.wmv (it’s 10.4MB)

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">EUG, what cam are you running?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">My cam card says: 240/244 .608"/.612" lift, 114LS

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What is the max compression one could run on a big cube motor & pump 93-94 gas?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">IMHO anything over 11:1 is on the ragged edge and will either ping on pump gas under “right” conditions or at a minimum will require PERFECT tune all the time not to ping…

Quickin

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by EuG:
[QB]Quickin,
Here’s the same race from a different car http://www.mypipe.net/~rsmsupra/vide...iper_vs_c5.wmv (it’s 10.4MB)</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Now is that your Vette with your ARE 436? What was done to the Viper? And what about the car that filmed it, what does he have done?

EuG

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Now is that your Vette with your ARE 436? What was done to the Viper? And what about the car that filmed it, what does he have done?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, obviously, the video is computer generated. None of that actually happened. <img border="0" alt="[devil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" />

But, yes it was “modeled” after my car.
Viper has bolt ons and makes ~440rwHP/480rwTQ
Chase car has Cartek X Package and just ran 10.8 @ 127 recently….

Oh btw: I had extra passenger, Viper didn’t…..

Quickin

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by EuG:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Now is that your Vette with your ARE 436? What was done to the Viper? And what about the car that filmed it, what does he have done?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, obviously, the video is computer generated. None of that actually happened. <img border="0" alt="[devil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" />

But, yes it was “modeled” after my car.
Viper has bolt ons and makes ~440rwHP/480rwTQ
Chase car has Cartek X Package and just ran 10.8 @ 127 recently….

Oh btw: I had extra passenger, Viper didn’t…..</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You will slowly walk away from it though right? You have 56 more RWHP. It looked like you were leaving him, were you both going all out?
I'm just trying to get an idea how fast my car will be.

DONAIMIAN

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> IMHO anything over 11:1 is on the ragged edge and will either ping on pump gas under “right” conditions or at a minimum will require PERFECT tune all the time not to ping…
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I think its a couple of people here in Houston getting away with 11.5:1 on a daily drivers on pump gas, with our altitude I think its 12.1:1 that we have to worry about, some run race gas all the time with that or throw some in at the track. <img border="0" alt="[Burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" />

Redline-Motorsports

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EuG,

Hows the car holding up? Get the brakes straightened out?

Just about done with the 418. Cam is a .625/.625 236/244 on a 112 LCA. Should make a solid 500 RWHP. Mike (StealthC5)'s 415 made 523 RWHP and 520 RWFT with same size cam and 11.8 compression.

Ready for Watkins Glen in May???

EuG

Quickin,
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm just trying to get an idea how fast my car will be.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Only one way to find out.
Just get your car and enjoy it man! <img border="0" alt="[devil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" />

9D9LS, How ya been?!
I ordered PFC race pads, so hopefully they’ll fix the problem.
Hope to see you at Watkins in May! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />

Chicago Crew UnderBoss

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No one on the forums have documented rwhp at 550 at the wheels that i am aware of on hyd. cam with N/A stroker.

500 to 525 tops is more realistic (and for this need the MTI S1 cam minimally, as the colonel suggested above) and in my honest opinion you would have to go solid roller to se 550rwhp. I believe the exception would be running 12.5 to 13.5 compression and going with custom intake and race gas, etc.

Take the 500 to 525 and be happy as this will be plenty of power and endless torque for the street. If thats not enough simply throw on 100 to 150 easy shot of N20 and see the 9s!

MTI 427 C5 Roadster

Pro Stock John

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I think over 13:1 compression, LS6 heads, and a very large cam.

I made 471rwhp on 28" slicks thru a 9" I think I can hit 485rwhp next time but 550rwhp would be hard thru a durable rearend and thru mufflers like me.