Torquer V2 vs TR224
Worth switching to a Torquer 2 from TR224? I know a buddy from a local F-body club who bought the TSP Torquer 2 cam, but decided he wanted to go with a smaller more common cam. I told him I had the TR224 cam and was very happy with it. He asked if I would be interested in a trade.
My question to you guys is would it be worth the bigger cam to pull my cam and put the Torquer in and then give him my cam? Would the power difference be noticeable? Ive already got hardened pushrods and PRC springs. Ive got a new LS2 timing chain from when I did my cam a couple months ago, so it should just be a straight up swap that COULD be done in a day or two's work.
Let me know if this swap would be worth it to you guys.
My question to you guys is would it be worth the bigger cam to pull my cam and put the Torquer in and then give him my cam? Would the power difference be noticeable? Ive already got hardened pushrods and PRC springs. Ive got a new LS2 timing chain from when I did my cam a couple months ago, so it should just be a straight up swap that COULD be done in a day or two's work.
Let me know if this swap would be worth it to you guys.
Last edited by BlackSVT03; May 30, 2007 at 01:08 PM.
I think that would be worth the swap. I might be biased since I'm actually swapping out a TR224 114 for a cam that's similiar to the Torquer 2 cam. If nothing else, I want that extra lopey sound = )
Thats what I was told. Everyone I talk to said that it would feel slow off the line, but once you hit that sweet spot, it just threw you back in your seat.
I might be hurtin a little but I JUST put a 3200 stall in my car and am not motivated to pull it out, sooo Ill be slow till I can get some 3.73s in my car.
Thanks for the input guys
I might be hurtin a little but I JUST put a 3200 stall in my car and am not motivated to pull it out, sooo Ill be slow till I can get some 3.73s in my car.
Thanks for the input guys
ive got an M6 still on stock gears.. i put heads, 90/90, TDs, new clutch and its super surgy down low w/out a tune, but im not too sure how that cam would do with a 3200 stall + 3.73s.. maybe need a larger stall? duno. but DO THE TRADE!
Originally Posted by sidewayz28
ive got an M6 still on stock gears.. i put heads, 90/90, TDs, new clutch and its super surgy down low w/out a tune, but im not too sure how that cam would do with a 3200 stall + 3.73s.. maybe need a larger stall? duno. but DO THE TRADE!
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Im in a similar situation and I have seen a couple of dyno #'s on here and there is not much of a difference in power...havent seen any track comparasions. I dyno'd 393/378 and compared it to a car on here with a TQ2 that made 399/377, he had pulley, ported tb and mine were still stock...the only couple of hp were made at the peak, which was a couple hundred rpm's higher than mine...my bottom end did look better though
Last edited by Midnite_LS1; May 30, 2007 at 04:32 PM.
All dynos will be different from one another so comparing dyno sheets put up here from different places will not really prove much, that and every car will react different aswell. In theory the torquer 2 should be stronger and worth it in my opinion.
I'd go with the 224 Personally. I have two friends with T2s, one was very disappointed with it (even with a great tune), and the other said himself if he was to do it again he'd go with a smaller cam. Both are M6 drivers if it makes any difference.
Originally Posted by GT Griller
Like i said every car will act different to different set ups. Ur friends didnt like it, my buddy Kyle put down 415hp at TSP with his torquer2 in his 02 Z28 M6.
One of the aforementioned people put down 423rwhp/381rwtq with his T2, but he still said if he was to do it again, he'd likely go smaller. The difference in these cams is *generally* around 15rwhp, but at only at high RPMs.
It's really personal preference.
"The difference in these cams is *generally* around 15rwhp, but at only at high RPMs."
that's because the heads have become a major restriction once you start getting up to cams the size of the T2.
but upgrade the heads and you'll see the true potential.
put some good ported heads on a T2 and you're likely to see 40hp increase. but put the same heads on a 224 cam and you'll see 25hp.
thats why you see a dozen cams ranging from high 22x up to mid 33x all making 400-420hp, but when you add the heads...some are pushing 460 or 470rwhp.
the heads unlease the power.
the recent trend is to go BIG on the cam...and often people are disappointed. untill they put heads on too
that's because the heads have become a major restriction once you start getting up to cams the size of the T2.
but upgrade the heads and you'll see the true potential.
put some good ported heads on a T2 and you're likely to see 40hp increase. but put the same heads on a 224 cam and you'll see 25hp.
thats why you see a dozen cams ranging from high 22x up to mid 33x all making 400-420hp, but when you add the heads...some are pushing 460 or 470rwhp.
the heads unlease the power.
the recent trend is to go BIG on the cam...and often people are disappointed. untill they put heads on too
Originally Posted by SSpdDmon
It'd be fine with that setup. Surge is in the tune...
The cam does take some getting used to. I've got an M6 with stock gears and it is slower off the line than I thought it would be. However, that can be corrected with some gears. It's a beast to say the least from 3k to 6.3k rpm. I haven't been past 6.3k and I wouldn't recommend it. A set of heads like PRC LS6 stage 1s or stage 2.5s and your at 450rwhp easily.
At first, I thought the cam was too big for me around town. Like I said, it takes some getting used to it. I did alot of mods all at once. Cam + full boltons + tune + SFCs. Needless to say I was shocked for a week or so with just the daily street manners of the cam + mods. Would I do it again? HELL YES! Me and the T2 get along just fine around town now. I know what the bitch needs to be in the happy zone. Also, I've yet to realize the full potential of this cam. Gears and a set of heads are next. Would I go to bigger cam? HELL NO! T2 is big enough for my daily driver habbits.
Bottom line is you should be happy if you realize that you'll need to help the cam out with appropriate supporting mods. So you then realize that you'll probably need to spend some more coin. If you don't want to do this then keep the 224.
i made 395 rwhp through cats, stock 241 heads on a STINGY and i mean STINGY mustang dyno with my T2... id love to see a torquer 2 vs a 224 race 
when i was just cam + exhaust, after my tune it was like STOCK no surging at all even with A/C blasting
when i was just cam + exhaust, after my tune it was like STOCK no surging at all even with A/C blasting