hirdlej

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Ok, long story short I was putting a head on my LQ4 tonight and having the old man help me. I am using the factory head bolts and following the procedure properly when on a couple of the head bolts my dad let his hands slip on the angle guage while holding it for me and I am fearful that some bolts may be off. At any rate, I know the factory TTY specs, but what do those specs equate to be in final torque? 110 ft lbs? More less? Someone know what the factory head bolts finally end up being for total torque?

Thanks in advance-

Weezzer

Because they are TTY bolts, its very difficult to define a torque, hence is why they give you a torque, then a degree. The operation is designed to take the bolt into the plastic range of deformation, just beyond the range of 0.2% elasticity. This causes the bolt to have a one time higher clamping force to hold the heads down. Its a one time deal as the next time (if you were to re-use the bolts) you tighten them down they will be further into the plastic range of deformation and have even less clamping force as the material at this point is approaching failure (Mechanics of Materials).

Cliff Notes: You cannot define this required force as a torque value, period.

If you want more than you'd ever want to read, put "0.2% elasticity" or
"plastic deformation" into google and read till yer hearts desire.

hirdlej

iTrader: (31)

The most some of these would be off would be up to 10 degrees total between all 3 passes, should I just forget about it?

hirdlej

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TTT for the morning crew. Any engine builders in here?

vettenuts

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As stated above, there is no clear answer. Your options are to leave it alone or re-do it. If you don't think the angle is off by much, leave it alone and keep an ey out for leaks, etc.. If you have no idea of the final angle, then buy a new bolt set and re-do the head.

hirdlej

iTrader: (31)

Eh I'll leave it If it leaks I'll tight them all another 10-20 degrees. The heads should be able to take that much more without getting hurt, right?

beedo

iTrader: (28)

Do you have a tq wrench? If so check on of the bolts that you KNOW that torqued correctly by seeing where it was torqued to. I always tq them to 75-80lbft. Most of the time we use ARP but there are a few that go back to factory. Never had any problems, I torque them to 30, 50, final 75

hirdlej

iTrader: (31)

Well of course I have a torque wrench. So you don't even go in degrees when using the factory bolts? You just go 30-50-75? So ultimately you just leave it at 75? I thought the factory TTY bolts ended up being around 110 ft lbs or am I wrong? I searched and searched but couldn't find anything to back it up, that's why I'm asking here.

What I was going to do is go to the first head bolt that I know is perfect and carefully keep adding torque to the wrench and let it click, then tighten the wrench some more, let it click and hopefully come to a point where once the bolt starts to barely move the wrench would "click" Meaning I would work my way up to a "click" that would make a perfectly good head bolt move like a 1/16 of a turn. Then apply that same clickable torque setting to the rest of the bolts as a last run

vettenuts

iTrader: (4)

Don't use a torque wrench, either leave them alone or replace them. What you are measuring are two different things, static and dynamic friction, which will vary all over the place unless you lubed them when they went in which I doubt. TTY and torque are two completely different methods of setting bolt stretch and preload, don't mix them.

hirdlej

iTrader: (31)

Actually I did lube all the bolts threads along with the underside of the bolt heads........ They all have a very thin coat of 5w-30 engine oil on them.

DaddySS

If you are confident they are only off by about +- 10* then leave everything alone - they'll be fine and the less you muck with them the better. If you are not confident, take the time now to replace them all and do it over.

hirdlej

iTrader: (31)

Eh I'll just leave the damn things alone then. I am probably just being overly ****. My dad only slipped his grip on the angle guage on 2 head bolts and I know whch ones they are. Also I doubt 10 degrees is enough error to cause a leak anyways. If it leaks a bit I'll just sinch 'em down. Thanks all for the info

The Alchemist

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Like already stated, I'd leave them alone if they are only off by a little bit. Unless you plan on spraying a large shot of nitrous or running boost, you should be fine.