Ls2 408 stroker
Number one rule in business is you, the owner, get paid last. I’ve seen quite a few folks start up a business and think that they are going to make great money initially, so they pay themselves before they ever figure out what the overhead is. You have to walk into a startup business with enough revenue to not expect anything in profit for at least a few months minimum. Sounds like Zach failed at this approach and had to steal everyone’s money and run to see any income at all. I doubt he started off with this intent, but it ended wrong. I hope authorities find Zach before Smoke does. Smoke might just find himself back in the pokie if he hurts Zach unfortunately.
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Number one rule in business is you, the owner, get paid last. I’ve seen quite a few folks start up a business and think that they are going to make great money initially, so they pay themselves before they ever figure out what the overhead is. You have to walk into a startup business with enough revenue to not expect anything in profit for at least a few months minimum. Sounds like Zach failed at this approach and had to steal everyone’s money and run to see any income at all. I doubt he started off with this intent, but it ended wrong. I hope authorities find Zach before Smoke does. Smoke might just find himself back in the pokie if he hurts Zach unfortunately.
My friend and I are actually in the middle of organising our start up.
We are not going to be getting paid for a minimum of three months.
But we are expecting strong initial business due to location, advertising and product.
In regards to Zach, it's another example of not taking responsibility.
Stealing your customers money is definitely not a good solution.
It's short sighted.
If Smoke does find him first I hope he doesn't get hurt but there are consequences to such actions.
Are the Police after Zach too?
It's serious.
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Hey guys,
What do you think of these heads?
Pat G got me on to these.
These have LS7 chambers with LS3 port entry.
They also work with the LS3 intakes.
These hybrid castings from Brodix are designed to utilize the factory LS7 rocker arms as the rocker arm pedestals are cast into the head similar to the LS7.
http://www.proheads.com/Brodix_LS3.html
What do you think of these heads?
Pat G got me on to these.
These have LS7 chambers with LS3 port entry.
They also work with the LS3 intakes.
These hybrid castings from Brodix are designed to utilize the factory LS7 rocker arms as the rocker arm pedestals are cast into the head similar to the LS7.
http://www.proheads.com/Brodix_LS3.html
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There's folks way Worse than me looking and lost more $ ....Oscar partner of...had to go get some stuff so i just got all my parts, engine stand....etc. Got a newer 6.0 block with the mains honed...will have to change valley cover, still got the spare older model block for the valley cover it was intended for. Light surface rust on one head- locks,springs, guide plates, windage tray, oil pickup tube. I Left everything in the SUV. To hot or sad to **** with it...
I just don't get it...Zach's on probation here...you can't leave... Houston Texas will ship you from Anywhere to get there Jail time or money. Besides that if you stay here. ....it won't be good. If I see Zach build it or pay me...other than that I'm gonna make a call and it won't be the police. I didn't do or have anything to do with what happens after that. If he goes to another state...I travel.
I just don't get it...Zach's on probation here...you can't leave... Houston Texas will ship you from Anywhere to get there Jail time or money. Besides that if you stay here. ....it won't be good. If I see Zach build it or pay me...other than that I'm gonna make a call and it won't be the police. I didn't do or have anything to do with what happens after that. If he goes to another state...I travel.
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Some people you get over on and forget about it...Some you don't. Folks looking and police reports were made.. Told Oscar if I catch dude 1 or the 2..build or pay. Simple, court or the the man's not needed. Do your Job or give me my $.
I'm with you on those heads. I'd rather have a full on small bore LS7 with the raised runner than a LS7 chamber with a LS3 runner.
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I think that name is over used... Honestly. I may have gotten screwed on this one. But a real porter is a real porter... All to none post here. Darin makes heads not just port work..... Darin does things Mamo ain't doing so is FED. You just gotta go in saying I want this ... And you can have anything done. I asked Darin for a port that's better than what I had with Ls3 heads. Head was 250 cc. Think about it... Head was made for a 408 with under 8k RPM with a carb intake and 700+lift.
CSA! & Min CSA dictates RPM for a certain size bore and stroke and it's avg TQ and peak HP . Anything other than that is BS. You may have a smaller runner which is good for avg numbers but hinder a bigger engine throughout the curve. You match CSA to the RPM x bore x stroke ...not just the smaller runner is best for everything. Then we go back to the the intake. 1 head don't fit all and there's a thing called having to much velocity speed in the runner. I say pay for the intended use not 1 size fits all. I guess with low profile intakes it really doesn't matter, if we know the best is ....ported. No matter if you've got x amount the intake makes them all in the same ball park. Only thing you can do to really separate it is adding a bigger cam or add compression.
CSA! & Min CSA dictates RPM for a certain size bore and stroke and it's avg TQ and peak HP . Anything other than that is BS. You may have a smaller runner which is good for avg numbers but hinder a bigger engine throughout the curve. You match CSA to the RPM x bore x stroke ...not just the smaller runner is best for everything. Then we go back to the the intake. 1 head don't fit all and there's a thing called having to much velocity speed in the runner. I say pay for the intended use not 1 size fits all. I guess with low profile intakes it really doesn't matter, if we know the best is ....ported. No matter if you've got x amount the intake makes them all in the same ball park. Only thing you can do to really separate it is adding a bigger cam or add compression.
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Smoke, after doing some research a ported fast supports 360cfm of flow.
A ported msd a little more.
This is perfect for Tony's cathedral head which flows around 360cfm so you are getting maximum gains.
This head is good to about 7-7500rpm which is plenty for a street build.
I am going the fast option though.
It's stronger than the msd off idle to 6500rpm.
A ported msd a little more.
This is perfect for Tony's cathedral head which flows around 360cfm so you are getting maximum gains.
This head is good to about 7-7500rpm which is plenty for a street build.
I am going the fast option though.
It's stronger than the msd off idle to 6500rpm.
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You or some may ask or think ...WTF?
Know a dude doing 400 cfm with a smaller bore and smaller Ls3 runner ... You guys get past the low profile intake issue of supply and demand ....lights come on even without electricity. 🤔
Know a dude doing 400 cfm with a smaller bore and smaller Ls3 runner ... You guys get past the low profile intake issue of supply and demand ....lights come on even without electricity. 🤔
Hey guys,
What do you think of these heads?
Pat G got me on to these.
These have LS7 chambers with LS3 port entry.
They also work with the LS3 intakes.
These hybrid castings from Brodix are designed to utilize the factory LS7 rocker arms as the rocker arm pedestals are cast into the head similar to the LS7.
http://www.proheads.com/Brodix_LS3.html
What do you think of these heads?
Pat G got me on to these.
These have LS7 chambers with LS3 port entry.
They also work with the LS3 intakes.
These hybrid castings from Brodix are designed to utilize the factory LS7 rocker arms as the rocker arm pedestals are cast into the head similar to the LS7.
http://www.proheads.com/Brodix_LS3.html
I think that name is over used... Honestly. I may have gotten screwed on this one. But a real porter is a real porter... All to none post here. Darin makes heads not just port work..... Darin does things Mamo ain't doing so is FED. You just gotta go in saying I want this ... And you can have anything done. I asked Darin for a port that's better than what I had with Ls3 heads. Head was 250 cc. Think about it... Head was made for a 408 with under 8k RPM with a carb intake and 700+lift.
CSA! & Min CSA dictates RPM for a certain size bore and stroke and it's avg TQ and peak HP . Anything other than that is BS. You may have a smaller runner which is good for avg numbers but hinder a bigger engine throughout the curve. You match CSA to the RPM x bore x stroke ...not just the smaller runner is best for everything.
...Know a dude doing 400 cfm with a smaller bore and smaller Ls3 runner...
Then we go back to the the intake. 1 head don't fit all and there's a thing called having to much velocity speed in the runner. I say pay for the intended use not 1 size fits all. I guess with low profile intakes it really doesn't matter, if we know the best is ....ported. No matter if you've got x amount the intake makes them all in the same ball park. Only thing you can do to really separate it is adding a bigger cam or add compression.
You match CSA to the RPM x bore x stroke
Smaller runners are not always better. Agreed. Not saying that they are. I am saying don't just jump on the biggest port out there, just because it fits the motor. That's just as bad, if not worse, than a runner that is too small and leaves power on the table.
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Tony designed his own heads actually. While he was with afr he designed them ,now he is not with them he still uses them for most heads he does and now trickflow castings as well.
you do know heads come as porters castings and he designs his own port not just touch up what someone else already made right?
I think any one of the porters talked about in here, Frankenstein, mamo,darin, are all good porters.
bortous ,if you go the cathedral head route I'd go msd over fast. On a stock stroke motor the fast is better below 6500 but not drastically. Above 6000 msd runs away from it.
on a stroker ,the msd is perfect imo
you do know heads come as porters castings and he designs his own port not just touch up what someone else already made right?
I think any one of the porters talked about in here, Frankenstein, mamo,darin, are all good porters.
bortous ,if you go the cathedral head route I'd go msd over fast. On a stock stroke motor the fast is better below 6500 but not drastically. Above 6000 msd runs away from it.
on a stroker ,the msd is perfect imo
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I took this on face value...guy
Takes a Blank and make something out of nothing.. TFS CNC 260cc Ls7 heads with bowl work does 410+. Mast? Still haven't seen a better OTB Head for head in the normal price range with bore options this is before Darin: Nascar,NHRA, circuit racing, etc .. proven. All pro? Brodix says they cover this at a fraction of the cost, small work required to get on the same level. Tony's damn good just the only real porter selling and post here.. Himself. They'll All be in the same playground if you don't get special work done and using the same castings and know the intended use. Reason I went outside ls1tech there's Others doing the same thing. Also finding out what most here think is crazy is typical race engine or Porter's thinking. Ask Tony will he shrink a exhaust valve for a Ls7 TFS head and it's cost Vs Darin with port work. Or call Chris Frank and ask I want the F710 for a small bore and I don't want no low laying F310 Ls3 runner. I've covered all bases on all runners and Porter's and what's out here and being done. I just **** with everyone...dealing with cylinder heads ...just need a low profile 400+ cfm intake...that's all
Takes a Blank and make something out of nothing.. TFS CNC 260cc Ls7 heads with bowl work does 410+. Mast? Still haven't seen a better OTB Head for head in the normal price range with bore options this is before Darin: Nascar,NHRA, circuit racing, etc .. proven. All pro? Brodix says they cover this at a fraction of the cost, small work required to get on the same level. Tony's damn good just the only real porter selling and post here.. Himself. They'll All be in the same playground if you don't get special work done and using the same castings and know the intended use. Reason I went outside ls1tech there's Others doing the same thing. Also finding out what most here think is crazy is typical race engine or Porter's thinking. Ask Tony will he shrink a exhaust valve for a Ls7 TFS head and it's cost Vs Darin with port work. Or call Chris Frank and ask I want the F710 for a small bore and I don't want no low laying F310 Ls3 runner. I've covered all bases on all runners and Porter's and what's out here and being done. I just **** with everyone...dealing with cylinder heads ...just need a low profile 400+ cfm intake...that's all
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I ask this stupid question why pay or ask for more in heads and you got a henderance on top which levels the playing field... When guys see more it's typical because of cam, compression... what I said still holds weight GG heads on John B with the same compression as Darin's heads would be on par or 690+ range. No matter the intake used with a 102mm TB ... Mast, Holley, and the Hogan intake all in the same ballpark. Place a 4500 with more capability, and larger lifts and bigger the difference.
Bottleneck..
Bottleneck..
SmokeyB, in one of the pm s we exchanged, i askd about Darins current "status" at Mast. Is he devoting all his time to R&D Masts' existing line up exclusively? Or will he still take in a porters casting from a private owner n work em over? Im thinkn Mast may not want or allow this. Just curious, but I guess what im asking is, Darin Morgan "OFF THE MARKET" or not?
I have Mast 285cc ls7 heads, but im guessing they are of the Cary/ETP design era?!?!
I have Mast 285cc ls7 heads, but im guessing they are of the Cary/ETP design era?!?!