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Old Jun 28, 2015 | 07:51 PM
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What is it pulling to when in tapshift? When you said it was getting hot I thought you meant real hot. Is it a starter or just a timing issue with the hard start?
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Old Jun 28, 2015 | 08:01 PM
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What is it pulling to when in tapshift? When you said it was getting hot I thought you meant real hot. Is it a starter or just a timing issue with the hard start?
tapshift i can shift it all the way to redline, its all manual shifting, that doesnt make a difference, its the automatic shifting that im dialing is as i dont really use the tapshift that often unless im ****** around. Hot is i guess subjective, im not used to a car running this hot, my cobalt ss the fans kicked on at 226* but the car ran consistently in the low 190's, this car was, as it sat stock, running between 210-217, the fans are set to disengage at 210. That would explain why the trans fluid temp is always consistently high stock as well. I modified the fan settings so that it goes all the way down to 192 before it disengages. The fan runs constantly, but it seems to keep the coolant temp in the high 190's consistently as well.

The hard start, im not sure, could be a result of just more tuning being required for the cam, I did find something interesting in HPT which I dont know if this is a read error or not, the cranking ignition timing seemed to have some sort of hole smack in the middle of it of -10 degrees, smooth this table out helped alot.

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Old Jun 28, 2015 | 08:07 PM
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Take a look into your open loop fuel tables
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Old Jun 28, 2015 | 08:09 PM
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Also look into the ls4 tune repository in the sticky section I can email you mine if you want to compare
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Old Jun 28, 2015 | 08:11 PM
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I asked about tapshift to find out what rpm the cam falls off at, I know it will keep going till you shift lol. I'm tuning illiterate, I cant tell what that chart means at all. Sounds like some trial and error coming up. you will get it I'm sure. Gonna make a trip to Englishtown soon?
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Old Jun 28, 2015 | 09:39 PM
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Also look into the ls4 tune repository in the sticky section I can email you mine if you want to compare
spawne32@comcast.net im open to comparing files, I can't VE tune the E67 ECU easily so im MAF only right now, not until HPT 2.25 comes out will they have simulated VE tables that you can actually use without using an algorithm to come up with the new numbers across 50 different tables. lol

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I asked about tapshift to find out what rpm the cam falls off at, I know it will keep going till you shift lol. I'm tuning illiterate, I cant tell what that chart means at all. Sounds like some trial and error coming up. you will get it I'm sure. Gonna make a trip to Englishtown soon?
Oh I have no idea where it dies off yet, I'll make that determination of where I want the rev limit to be based on the dyno charts at the end of the summer. 6200rpm though seems like a decent place to start, if i want to take it any farther above 6400 Im gonna want BTR pushrods and the trunion bearing upgrade on the stock rockers. Ill be heading to atco hopefully this week to face off against my buddies GTO.
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Old Jun 29, 2015 | 05:45 AM
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email sent also attached gen4 VE tuning tool by bluecat, really simplifies the process of VE tuning for yall.
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Originally Posted by spawne32
spawne32@comcast.net im open to comparing files, I can't VE tune the E67 ECU easily so im MAF only right now, not until HPT 2.25 comes out will they have simulated VE tables that you can actually use without using an algorithm to come up with the new numbers across 50 different tables. lol



Oh I have no idea where it dies off yet, I'll make that determination of where I want the rev limit to be based on the dyno charts at the end of the summer. 6200rpm though seems like a decent place to start, if i want to take it any farther above 6400 Im gonna want BTR pushrods and the trunion bearing upgrade on the stock rockers. Ill be heading to atco hopefully this week to face off against my buddies GTO.
That will be good to baseline at the track. What are you thinking it will do for times?
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FYI all you have to do is email support for 2.25 but wait a while though cause the 2.25 scanner still isn't functional. So you have to pull your 2.24 scanner results into excel and fill the blanks with zeros then copy paste multiply percent half into your table.
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FYI all you have to do is email support for 2.25 but wait a while though cause the 2.25 scanner still isn't functional. So you have to pull your 2.24 scanner results into excel and fill the blanks with zeros then copy paste multiply percent half into your table.
Did you teach yourself how to do all this thru trial and error? I have no knowledge of this type of vehicle programming at all. Seems very confusing. I know the software is about 500 for the package maybe more, down the road this could be something I would think about doing. What is the difficulty level of learning this type of programming?
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Old Jun 29, 2015 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by 91parkave
email sent also attached gen4 VE tuning tool by bluecat, really simplifies the process of VE tuning for yall.
never received the files

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That will be good to baseline at the track. What are you thinking it will do for times?
Not sure really, I kinda expected it to be faster then what I'm feeling, but given what I know about these thing's stock, I can understand why they were so slow right out of the box. The 2.93 gears must have been awful on this car, because the 3.29's are almost just as annoying. Without a power number from a dyno run yet its hard to say but id predict high to mid 13's so far with the power im feeling, it still has alot of potential to pick up with tuning though, was running considerably low ignition timing (in the teens) on the low octane tune and still was getting KR. Once the KR is cleared up, 93 is in the tank, and im hitting that 28-30* of advance at WOT, then I think the top end is going to be nasty, just then I might have the potential to pull a low 13 number, with the LS6 intake manifold down the road, and a little luck, might even get into the 12's.
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That's good. I have seen some times of stock cars dipping into the thirteens. Never ran mine, not sure I ever will really. Mine feels like low fourteens. I think your goals are attainable for sure with traction. Good luck.
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Old Jun 29, 2015 | 08:02 PM
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also figured out my open loop fault error i posted about in the PCM tuning section, apparently disabling P0300 random misfire code does not prevent the pcm from setting a fault for it, so at idle it kept going into OPEN LOOP - FAULT because it kept detecting misfires from the cams overlap. Raised the threshold on misfire detection by 50% and went right into closed loop normal.
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Old Jun 29, 2015 | 09:14 PM
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That sounds fantastic. Whats next? Gonna do an exhaust system or cutout? How do you like those tires also?
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Old Jun 29, 2015 | 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by rottonj
That sounds fantastic. Whats next? Gonna do an exhaust system or cutout? How do you like those tires also?
No exhaust and no cutout, i like stealthy and this is about as loud as I want it. Can't really hear a thing inside the car other then the motor shaking or when you really get on it, its perfect. Tires I havent swapped on yet, I have to get a new TPMS sensor for the drivers side front, gonna be doing that this week. I'm loving the silent but deadly nature of the car, had a F150 try to pass me today because he didnt like me doing 10mph over the limit, wasnt fast enough for him, and when he got next to me i put it down to about 50% throttle and it broke the tires loose fighting the traction control and lept forward about a bus length. lol The 93 octane and high octane table for spark advance brought the car alive, and the top end is really starting to shine now.
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Old Jun 30, 2015 | 07:54 AM
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Well that cam is noticeable, it doesn't really scream stealth lol. I think you will be really hurting times thru the stock exhaust if that's your goal for the car, but I totally get not wanting loud or droning. Those tires look nice, well priced as well so keep me posted on traction and wear as they could be my next set.
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Old Jun 30, 2015 | 08:00 AM
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Well that cam is noticeable, it doesn't really scream stealth lol. I think you will be really hurting times thru the stock exhaust if that's your goal for the car, but I totally get not wanting loud or droning. Those tires look nice, well priced as well so keep me posted on traction and wear as they could be my next set.
It's a compromise really, how much power am I hurting, probably not much, maybe 5-10hp if that. The cat probably does more damage then the catback does, but given that the factory cat is at least a foot long and between 600-800 cell count, you can literally hear the difference in flow from the thunderbolt 400 cell cat which probably doubles the CFM flow through that section. Any extra power to be had is going to be in the LS6 intake manifold, like i said before, im cutting my nose off despite my face right now sticking with the stock LS4 manifold, if I would have gained 35-40hp with this cam on a regular LS, im only gaining probably half that with the LS4 intake, same goes for everything else on the car. Id be amazed if it cracked 300whp without the manifold swap. Just not ready to take that leap yet, but it is on the list and it will happen.
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Old Jun 30, 2015 | 08:20 AM
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So you replaced the cat? If so you are probably good. The mufflers are restrictive as well as GM has to please all with their choice. I think 300 may be possible with the addition of the intake and throttle body. Your knowledge of tuning will go along way as well. Numbers are just numbers anyway(unless your running hot lol), if it runs well and you enjoy it that's what counts. This car is coming out great.
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Old Jun 30, 2015 | 08:36 AM
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Just cause you increase flow and diameter of the exhaust does not mean it will be stupid loud or drone. Pick the right mufflers and resonators
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Old Jun 30, 2015 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by rottonj
So you replaced the cat? If so you are probably good. The mufflers are restrictive as well as GM has to please all with their choice. I think 300 may be possible with the addition of the intake and throttle body. Your knowledge of tuning will go along way as well. Numbers are just numbers anyway(unless your running hot lol), if it runs well and you enjoy it that's what counts. This car is coming out great.
Yes, performance curve has the best prices on aftermarket cats ive seen, 46 bucks for this cat, and i havent had any issues with them ever. Honestly you gotta ask yourself when you start out, how much is the car worth investing in given what it has. It's front wheel drive, its got a weak trans to begin with for v8 power, and its inherently at a disadvantaged with its transverse setup. Do i really need anymore then turning it into a 5.3 liter LS6 with a cam and headers? How far do I want to push the FWD before it becomes a pointless money pit. It's a damn shame the G8 didn't stick around for longer because that is what these FWD GXP's should have been. But your right, im really happy so far with how its turning out, I just hope the track times match up to all of what ive invested in it.
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