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Old 01-25-2010, 06:34 AM
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Default LT1 vs 2011 Mustang GT 5.0L

Whats everyone think about the 2011 Mustang GT with 412hp and 25mpg? Way more power and better mpg too, bone stock at that!

Is it possible to get 25mpg and 412hp out of a LT1?
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Quite interesting that its only 5.0 and pushing 412hp out the box, and then we compare the LS3, a liter more just to make about 13hp more at the flywheel?

You must admit its impressive.
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More power out of lesser cubes without power adders is impressive and the way of the future with all the oil prices and controversy.

Looks friggin awesome. Ford might finally have made an engine equal to the LSx when looking at the big picture.
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Higher spinning, higher compression motor, with a more "advanced" camshaft/breathing setup than GM's still old pushrod design that we are all in love with. I will give them credit for that!

However, high compression motor and read the specs. I doubt the car will do much with mods and try throwing some boost on a high compression motor and see what happens
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I expect it will be pretty stout stock and will respond to small amounts of boost and nitrous but other than that will be a difficult engine for the average Joe to wrench on. The modular 4.6 engine is pretty bad, but this thing will be a night mare for cam or head swaps. I do expect that its detuned a but and with a tune and catback could put out a bit more.

What I don't understand however is why the Shelby GT500 only make about 500 being supercharged. I don't have the full details, but I wonder if maybe its running stock compression and they just bolted the blower on, for $35k+ over the price of the base car you'd think they dropped some new slugs in the holes, but maybe not.
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just did jba cat forwards and some cams in one..... kept the phasers and a dyno tune.

The car responded very very well to it. Without giving the customers info I will say it makes alot more rwhp than most here do
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I have always been a huge ford hater bur I rhink GM has their head up their ***.

Id take the new mustang over the 5th gen
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Some of them Modular Engines are turning out some power..no question about that.
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Without giving the customer's information: What kind of RWHP are we talking here? 500 or more?
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Originally Posted by Jazz-LT1
Without giving the customer's information: What kind of RWHP are we talking here? 500 or more?
Its making 412 to the flywheel, how do you expect 500 to the wheels?
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It will make for some good racing!!
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He's not referring to a stock car..he was talking about this post..

Originally Posted by mdacton
The car responded very very well to it. Without giving the customers info I will say it makes alot more rwhp than most here do
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Ford is stepping up! More than I can say about gm...
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Originally Posted by ADN
Quite interesting that its only 5.0 and pushing 412 hp out the box, and then we compare the LS1, a liter more just to make about 13 hp more at the flywheel?

You must admit its impressive.
All they're doing is using a bigger cam and better flowing heads to get that power out of a smaller motor. The 5.0 will never reach the potential the LS3 has N/A. I would rather a motor I can throw a cam in and gain 50+ HP than one that will gain 20 HP. When you start doing similar mods the gap in HP between the two will start growing.

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No replacement for Displacement.
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The main reason the new Ford motor makes so much power for its size is because its a DOHC Modular motor. These types of motors naturally make more power per liter than pushrod motors with similar fuel efficiency if not better, which usually makes them better daily drivers. This also has a lot to do with why the only production passenger cars with pushrod motors left on the planet currently are the Camaro, Corvette, CTS-V, Challenger, Charger, and Viper (not including GM and Chrysler trucks).

Unfortunately modular motors are better than pushrod motors in almost every aspect, with the exception of 2 two important things:

1) Theyre generally not as easy to work on as a pushrod motor and
2) They dont make torque like pushrod motors do

This is why GM and Chrysler still use these types of motors in they're "sports cars," which in my opinion is a smart move despite all the wrong decisions they've made over the years. Customers looking to buy sport/muscle cars buy horsepower, but drive torque.
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Sadly enough I'm digging the new ones. They now have 6-speeds, should weigh alot less than a Camaro and have an option for a big brake package. Sounds like a fun car to me for a decent price, would make for a cool DD.
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Originally Posted by mdacton
just did jba cat forwards and some cams in one..... kept the phasers and a dyno tune.

The car responded very very well to it. Without giving the customers info I will say it makes alot more rwhp than most here do
How'd you work on a car that isn't even out yet?
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Not to mention they wrap up to 7000+ rpms with it detuned. Their powerband still is good to close to 8000 rpms. They were detuned to comply with fords warrenty package.
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