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Old 02-19-2013, 12:11 PM
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Here is that pass......

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totally remember. one of the few times I will never forget. Funny to run into you on the interwebs, considering I am such a lurker.
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Since I kind of feel bad for semi-hijacking this thread lets talk about what you guys are all upset about with no big bore blocks.

What is it exactly that keeps you guys working on the LT1 platform. Is it the reverse cooling? In reality all this platform is is a Gen 1 engine with backwards cooling. Most bitch about the opti, or the computer. Why not do a Gen 1? You would have infinite parts availability, infinate bore/stroke possiblilites...no "dreaded" opti. They are both 23° heads which in the real world suck....lifter placements are all the same, bore space is the same, engine mounts are the same....bells are the same.

Why beat your head against the wall???
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Originally Posted by lt1slowz28
totally remember. one of the few times I will never forget. Funny to run into you on the interwebs, considering I am such a lurker.
Cool....The troopers name is Carl....I remember when he pulled up and got out. Asking for "Jacob, I am looking for Jacob"......I was crapping my pants....

Mind you, we were up til 3am in the parking lot of a hotel cleaning up the entire contents of my oil pan off the asphalt while drinking margaritas!!!
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Originally Posted by lun40119
Cool....The troopers name is Carl....I remember when he pulled up and got out. Asking for "Jacob, I am looking for Jacob"......I was crapping my pants....

Mind you, we were up til 3am in the parking lot of a hotel cleaning up the entire contents of my oil pan off the asphalt while drinking margaritas!!!
Good times for sure. I think I might still be sun burnt from last year.


Originally Posted by lun40119
Since I kind of feel bad for semi-hijacking this thread lets talk about what you guys are all upset about with no big bore blocks.

What is it exactly that keeps you guys working on the LT1 platform. Is it the reverse cooling? In reality all this platform is is a Gen 1 engine with backwards cooling. Most bitch about the opti, or the computer. Why not do a Gen 1? You would have infinite parts availability, infinate bore/stroke possiblilites...no "dreaded" opti. They are both 23° heads which in the real world suck....lifter placements are all the same, bore space is the same, engine mounts are the same....bells are the same.

Why beat your head against the wall???
I think most people that have the means end up switching, others do it to prove a point. (Ellis, Ed, Tony, Kyle, Mike, Dwayne)


we all started doing little bolt on parts and before you know it, we end up having something that is out of control.
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What point though? Keep in mind I know Dwayne quite well. He is local, and a good friend.
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Originally Posted by lun40119
What point though? Keep in mind I know Dwayne quite well. He is local, and a good friend.

The because you can point... After the fact of having my LT1 built, it's been an on going issue with me. Oh well, let's just keep the snowball going.
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Ok....I get that. Is that what it is for everyone?
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Originally Posted by bowtienut
From the ImpalaSS archives:

Voss Boreta detail:
9.394 1/4
149.03
6.060 1/8
116.20
1.560 60'
383 Blower TH400 1 Chapman CMS Trick Flow Comp 236/248/114.5 3000 stall
3.50 gear
4150 lbs
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Do you have a link about that engine? any more pics or a build thread? Really interesting....
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Go here: http://www.top-et.com/impalass/
Click on "detail" next to entry #5. That's all I know.
I saw this car run several times back in its day. I think Sam was driving it.
Maybe ramair96 can provide more ??
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Thanks! I have seen pictures of it a long time ago but never found out much about it.
I will have to look at home. The car was an animal and street able as well.
Dave Horn was the driver Sam was the main wrench and I did the entire electrical and track computer tuning. The trans am I have now is the result of that car.
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Originally Posted by ramair96ws6
I will have to look at home. The car was an animal and street able as well.
Dave Horn was the driver Sam was the main wrench and I did the entire electrical and track computer tuning. The trans am I have now is the result of that car.
Thanks....it's coming back to me now. Dave drove it at Indy in 2006, right? ....with that sh!tty track prep .. Sam was in it for the parking lot burnout....lol!
I still have one of the CMS hats from Dave
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Originally Posted by lun40119
Ok....I get that. Is that what it is for everyone?
Limited bore size on the LT block. I noticed that your bore size on your 402 is 4.130". The LT1 MAY be able to do 4.04" on an ideal block without compromising busting into a water jacket. Your bore size would uncork some of the excellent head choices used by some here. Especially Tony Sheppard who is running AFR 235's and is already in the 8's. Or even those who have run SB2.2's.

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Originally Posted by bowtienut
Thanks....it's coming back to me now. Dave drove it at Indy in 2006, right? ....with that sh!tty track prep .. Sam was in it for the parking lot burnout....lol!
I still have one of the CMS hats from Dave
Yes that is correct Wow that was forever ago!! I kept taking out timing so the car would make less power but the track was going away faster than I took away the timing haha.

That car would do burnout for days. One time we were testin gon the street , dumb i know.., We were chased by the cops in that car

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Originally Posted by Rob94hawk
Limited bore size on the LT block.
Right, I get that is the point, but why stick with the LTX platform at all? If bore size is that important to you, why not go to a Gen 1 platform?

That is the point I am getting at, the LTX doesn't really vary from the Gen 1 in many ways. Cooling, and front mounted opti, are about it.
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Originally Posted by ramair96ws6
The motor was a savage. It twisted the block and broke it all through the lifter valley. It was a mess.
I need to see the "after" pics of that block...
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Originally Posted by lun40119
Right, I get that is the point, but why stick with the LTX platform at all? If bore size is that important to you, why not go to a Gen 1 platform?

That is the point I am getting at, the LTX doesn't really vary from the Gen 1 in many ways. Cooling, and front mounted opti, are about it.
People that have shoved a distributor under an f-body cowl would have to chime in on that. I cant imagine that to be fun. And the fact that you can get away with a higher CR with the reverse cooling is a big bonus. up to 13:1 SCR on pump gas. If I wasn't using stock pistons I would have went higher than 11.7. Also if you go SBC you no longer can use the stock intake manifold. Between the cowl and the hood there's not much room to work with when it comes to dual and single plane manifolds. You'd have to splurge on a TPIS manifold and those aren't cheap.
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i got mine jammed in there no problem my motors basically all sbc anyway short of the heads and block........crank rods pistons intake its all sbc stuff........

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They also make front mount distributors and crank triggers.....if the big bore really was a big deal you could make it work.

And as far as the "added" compression ratio. What HP difference would you expect to see between 1 click of compression over the potential of 50 cubic inches?

I am not trying to get into a nasty argument, just looking at this "logically"......what benefit is there to staying with the LTX platform?
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Originally Posted by quik95lt1
i got mine jammed in there no problem my motors basically all sbc anyway short of the heads and block........crank rods pistons intake its all sbc stuff........
Just noticed your from Rhode Island.........Your Disney Land Personal Bests don't count inland with the rest of us.....
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Originally Posted by lun40119
They also make front mount distributors and crank triggers.....if the big bore really was a big deal you could make it work.

And as far as the "added" compression ratio. What HP difference would you expect to see between 1 click of compression over the potential of 50 cubic inches?

I am not trying to get into a nasty argument, just looking at this "logically"......what benefit is there to staying with the LTX platform?
in reality there isn't........its just whats in the car right now and in the budget....plus i enjoy running in the lt class events.......some day id love to go big bore sbc but its just not in the cards right now........im not arguing that point what so ever.....for a 385 cube motor im just tyring to squeeze all i can out of it without going with crazy over the top parts that have high maintinence periods, hence the 14+:1 compression
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Originally Posted by lun40119
Right, I get that is the point, but why stick with the LTX platform at all? If bore size is that important to you, why not go to a Gen 1 platform?

That is the point I am getting at, the LTX doesn't really vary from the Gen 1 in many ways. Cooling, and front mounted opti, are about it.
For starters, there's the LTX shootout held once a year in Bowling Green, that a lot of us attend. Switching to an LSx type of an engine is the most logical from a fitment standpoint, but that makes us just like everyone else. It's fun beating other cars with an LTx platform. We are always the underdog, no matter what. Swap in a nasty LSx and suddenly you are expected to beat everyone.

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Just noticed your from Rhode Island.........Your Disney Land Personal Bests don't count inland with the rest of us.....
Mikey has run a 10.06 in 88 degree heat with high humidity. A hurricane was breathing down on us. He runs a 4L60E and those aren't too well known for their 1/4 mile times.


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