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Old 02-19-2013, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by lun40119
Just noticed your from Rhode Island.........Your Disney Land Personal Bests don't count inland with the rest of us.....
dont hate cause im rollin ur times with 20 less cubes 1000 less rpm and wayyyyy less fancy parts ........wayyyyy less cam, no fancy titanium valves, springs i change once every few years just for safety..no aftermarket block no 1k dollar belt drive no big block cam core.....wayyyy less converter and trans......

and fyi ive been 10 ohs in 3000ft da weather with an overdrive trans and street lockup converter

not trying to start a pissing match to join the rest of this garbage the past few pages.....by no means am i knocking ur ****....your car runs damn impressive......but i dont expect my times to be knocked either

on that note g'day

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Originally Posted by quik95lt1
dont hate cause im rollin ur times with 20 less cubes 1000 less rpm and wayyyyy less fancy parts ........wayyyyy less cam, no fancy titanium valves, springs i change once every few years just for safety.....wayyyy less converter and trans......

and fyi ive been 10 ohs in 3000ft da weather with an overdrive trans and street lockup converter

not trying to start a pissing match to join the rest of this garbage the past few pages.....by no means am i knocking ur ****....your car runs damn impressive......but i dont expect my times to be knocked either

on that note g'day


You won't start a pissing match with me.....I have think skin and a thicker skull....

I like your deal, not knocking you at all......trust me.

That being said, we have been 9.71. DA of 3000ft nets mid upper .80's.

Unfortunately no vid of the .71....just the .75.....
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Originally Posted by lun40119


I like your deal, not knocking you at all......trust me.

That being said, we have been 9.71. DA of 3000ft nets mid upper .80's.

Unfortunately no vid of the .71....just the .75.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvPLA...sWSbg&index=41
***** fast for sure.......im hoping to see those times this year after my trans and converter swap........going to big boy stuff like you.....not quite that much converter though

my 9.8x's couldve been better the stars were FAR from being aligned on those passes anyway ask joelster he knows that story lol not to mention the 137mph trap could've gone up i was laying on the limiter coming through on all of my passes that day
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Originally Posted by lun40119


You won't start a pissing match with me.....I have think skin and a thicker skull....

I like your deal, not knocking you at all......trust me.

That being said, we have been 9.71. DA of 3000ft nets mid upper .80's.

Unfortunately no vid of the .71....just the .75.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvPLA...sWSbg&index=41
Jake, your car runs real good! You should have come out with us to Cecil back in November. How far of a road trip would that be for you?
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Originally Posted by joelster
Jake, your car runs real good! You should have come out with us to Cecil back in November. How far of a road trip would that be for you?

Ooof....thats a ways. I heard a rumbling that there is a chance Drag Week might be headed east this year. That would be cool!!! Ill be there again this year...Hoping with a fresh ring/hone it will run .70's in the heat.

Quik95LT1....I know your stuff flies......Phil did the heads. He is a smart dude. Met him several times....Wise Choice!!!

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Originally Posted by lun40119
Ooof....thats a ways. I heard a rumbling that there is a chance Drag Week might be headed east this year. That would be cool!!! Ill be there again this year...Hoping with a fresh ring/hone it will run .70's in the heat.

Quik95LT1....I know your stuff flies......Ron did the heads. He is a smart dude. Met him several times....Wise Choice!!!
agree there....ron and phil are top notch guys they know their stuff and they're great to deal with....they did the cam too........i got a family friend that runs drag week hes got the 64 turbo ls1 vette.....i was around for and in alot of the build on that car

if ya dont mind me asking what you 60' with your car? tbrake or footbake? im going th350 with a coan or ati 8" this year and they both wanna put a 5800 in it....seems awefully large but maybe not i make power 1000rpm under your peak and that converter they wanna run is 1000 smaller lol
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Originally Posted by lun40119
Ok....I get that. Is that what it is for everyone?
For me it's because that's what I have and have been working with for 12 years. My build has really snowballed and if I were to take the next step it would be to a aftermarket GEN 1 block. I only have the stock block and LT1-style AFR heads left of the original setup. Also, I like being different and the 'underdog'. Call me stupid, ignorant, or crazy (or all of the above, lol!), but I like to try to shut people up that talk how almighty the LSx is.

https://ls1tech.com/forums/lt1-lt4-m...013-lol-2.html
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Originally Posted by joelster
For starters, there's the LTX shootout held once a year in Bowling Green, that a lot of us attend. Switching to an LSx type of an engine is the most logical from a fitment standpoint, but that makes us just like everyone else. It's fun beating other cars with an LTx platform. We are always the underdog, no matter what. Swap in a nasty LSx and suddenly you are expected to beat everyone.



Mikey has run a 10.06 in 88 degree heat with high humidity. A hurricane was breathing down on us. He runs a 4L60E and those aren't too well known for their 1/4 mile times.
I'm pretty sure the win lights don't care what engine the car has in it. And there are 4 lsx shootouts a year vs ltx shootout with a questionable car count that everyone is keeping quiet. The LTx is a dead platform with pretty much no aftermarket support and no reason to stay in it besides cost.
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That's exactly right, we now can run the 24x system in our LTX cars and put whatever motor we please. As soon as my LT motor gives up the ghost I am looking at other options for replacement.
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Originally Posted by quik95lt1
agree there....ron and phil are top notch guys they know their stuff and they're great to deal with....they did the cam too........i got a family friend that runs drag week hes got the 64 turbo ls1 vette.....i was around for and in alot of the build on that car

if ya dont mind me asking what you 60' with your car? tbrake or footbake? im going th350 with a coan or ati 8" this year and they both wanna put a 5800 in it....seems awefully large but maybe not i make power 1000rpm under your peak and that converter they wanna run is 1000 smaller lol
Sorry....just saw the second part of your post.......

1.319
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110.8
9.716
136.8

Talk to Art Reid.......he is the guy that did my converter at Coan. It is one of their billet aluminum stator deals. Trans is an XLT 350. Peak TQ at 6300 and peak HP at 8200/8300.

PS. When you do talk to Art, tell him you want one of the Jake Stelter 7000 stall trailer pulling converters......he gets a kick out of that.
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I want to know what a real motor will do in mine.
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Originally Posted by speed_demon24
I'm pretty sure the win lights don't care what engine the car has in it. And there are 4 lsx shootouts a year vs ltx shootout with a questionable car count that everyone is keeping quiet. The LTx is a dead platform with pretty much no aftermarket support and no reason to stay in it besides cost.
You make a good point, but for a guy like me on a working mans budget there is no way in hell I would be able to build a competitive car in ANY of the heads up classes at an LSx shootout. I couldn't even imagine how much a 1100hp naturally aspirated LSx engine would cost. That is what they rock in the all-motor class. The power adder classes are all huge turbo cars with 25.5-25.3 chassis'. I'd have to run the "rumble" class, and that is just a glorified bracket race. I'm not driving 10+ hours to bracket race, I can do that here.
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Bracket racing just plain sucks. Only times I ever entered one was to get a few more test passes in. LOL Heads up is where it's at for me.
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Originally Posted by Rob94hawk
And the fact that you can get away with a higher CR with the reverse cooling is a big bonus. up to 13:1 SCR on pump gas.
Far be it from me to question a fellow Long Islander and I'm certainly not an expert in maximum compression ratios with pump gas but I've always been told and believed 11:1 CR with LT1 reverse cooled heads was the limit.

Having said this, there was a test of the high compression "race" version of the GMPP 572 and they were able to get it to run decent on pump super by really working the timing differently. They did lose power but it ran OK.

I think you'd be able to get some of the LT1's reverse cooling advantages with SBC heads if you added steam vents at the rear of the heads. Like the Pontiac Big Chief heads had. GM was clever enough to use them on the LS engines.
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Plenty of LT1's run around with over 11:1 on pump gas.
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Good to know! I suppose most shops stay more on the safe side.
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Heck....plenty of old school sbc & bbc engines running around with well over 10:1 with iron heads and carbs for that matter. LOL
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Imagine: LT1 heads with the cooling effect of direct injection of the new GenV LT1. You'd be able to do 14:1 CR with pump Hy-Test.
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Originally Posted by Paul Bell
Far be it from me to question a fellow Long Islander and I'm certainly not an expert in maximum compression ratios with pump gas but I've always been told and believed 11:1 CR with LT1 reverse cooled heads was the limit.

Having said this, there was a test of the high compression "race" version of the GMPP 572 and they were able to get it to run decent on pump super by really working the timing differently. They did lose power but it ran OK.

I think you'd be able to get some of the LT1's reverse cooling advantages with SBC heads if you added steam vents at the rear of the heads. Like the Pontiac Big Chief heads had. GM was clever enough to use them on the LS engines.
You are still putting the water in the block first and forcing it up. That being said......plenty of Gen 1's running in excess of 12:1 on the street with 91 octane. First year I ran on Drag Week mine was 11.7:1. Year 2 it was 12.2:1. Pump fuel and an engine's tolerance has more to do with intake valve closing points though. Late IVC points increase an engines tolerance to pump fuel. New mine cranked 215psi. That is about the limit I have found with my junk.
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Originally Posted by lun40119
Sorry....just saw the second part of your post.......

1.319
3.917
6.148
110.8
9.716
136.8

Talk to Art Reid.......he is the guy that did my converter at Coan. It is one of their billet aluminum stator deals. Trans is an XLT 350. Peak TQ at 6300 and peak HP at 8200/8300.

PS. When you do talk to Art, tell him you want one of the Jake Stelter 7000 stall trailer pulling converters......he gets a kick out of that.
nice, yea i can see the gear ratio and converter working for you you 1/8th mile better than me with more weight lol.......my peak tq is at 5900 and my peak hp is 7350 i talked to art he along with ati said 5800........which i beleive now


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