LT1-LT4 Modifications 1993-97 Gen II Small Block V8

GM race shop block

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-26-2013, 08:22 AM
  #461  
10 Second Club
iTrader: (8)
 
TwoFast4Lv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: LT1 land...the "409" of the 90s!
Posts: 10,023
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts

Default

except I already OWN all of this and I have for over a decade now while waiting to find a better block! LOL!

Lets say you have thousands and thousands of dollars in BBC stuff. Do you toss it all and go LSx just because it is the hot thing to do?

Ed I have had those heads and intake since before you ran 9s N/A with your LTx
Old 02-26-2013, 09:37 AM
  #462  
On The Tree
iTrader: (8)
 
ramair96ws6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Las Vegas Nv.
Posts: 196
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by taner
i can only speak for myself.. but i bought the farm on this platform many years ago. what can i say i didn't know any better. i should have spent the money on LS **** 11 years ago. too late now.
Word.

I dont want to sell all of the parts I have for 30-40 cents on the dollar if I could just get a decent block and use them all.
Old 02-26-2013, 09:50 AM
  #463  
9 Second Club
iTrader: (7)
 
quik95lt1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 4,464
Likes: 0
Received 12 Likes on 10 Posts

Default

^+2 im in the same boat taner i couldn't afford an ls1 when i was 17 when i bought my car......and now im so far into it id loose my shirt if i went ls
Old 02-26-2013, 10:16 AM
  #464  
TECH Veteran
iTrader: (17)
 
Puck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 4,152
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Ed Wright
Ellis, since your not using the optispark there is no reason you can't use the regular Bowtie block. Since you say fu*k 23 deg heads, there is a huge selection of roll over heads available. I don't see anything "LT1" about your engine now but a thin wall casting block.
The block is all that matters .

I started from scratch on a separate engine so could have went pretty much any platform I wanted, but choose to stay LT1 because I like the platform and the reaction people give when they find out its a boat anchor LT1. I feel the only negative to the LT1 is the bore size, and I can still reach my goal with a 4.030 bore and some AFRs so I decided to try it. After all this time and money, if it doesn't do what I want I'll part out the motor and build a nice 700hp pump gas BBC for it.

Nothing like $2,500 worth of car with $15,000 worth of engine .
Old 02-26-2013, 10:26 AM
  #465  
Staging Lane
 
lun40119's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 53
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by quik95lt1
^+2 im in the same boat taner i couldn't afford an ls1 when i was 17 when i bought my car......and now im so far into it id loose my shirt if i went ls
This is a good point, but what you will find as the HP goal goes up the HP/Dollar starts to go down. Sooner or later you will come to a point where spending thousands for 15HP is just too much. And then it will be time for a new platform. And "all" of the money you spent on that platform will be wasted. And you would have been "FAR" better off starting over.

Going faster is like an addiction.......and it won't go away. You are on top of your game right now, but there is always someone quietly watching waiting for their time. What was good enough last year won't be next year.

I am not knocking the LT platform.....I like working on them. I am just trying to shed a "practical light" on this stuff. The LT platform is dieing....and nothing is going to change that.
Old 02-26-2013, 11:12 AM
  #466  
Village Troll
iTrader: (2)
 
SS RRR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Jackstandican
Posts: 11,052
Received 536 Likes on 388 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Puck
Nothing like $2,500 worth of car with $15,000 worth of engine .
This is why I am really on the fence with even painting my ****. The paint will cost as much or more than the car is actually worth if it were in excellent condition. I'm holding out in hopes the 4th gen SS will become the next Yenko.
Old 02-26-2013, 12:40 PM
  #467  
9-Second Club
iTrader: (1)
 
Ed Wright's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Tulsa, OK
Posts: 3,397
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by TwoFast4Lv
Ed I have had those heads and intake since before you ran 9s N/A with your LTx
And you had to spray yours to go nines.

There is better stuff out there than what was available nearly seven years ago when I did that. Guys are running sevens in Comp Eliminator (NA) with 320" SBCs and heads you can buy now.

And Jake is correct.
Old 02-26-2013, 01:04 PM
  #468  
On The Tree
 
Longbob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 162
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by lun40119
....The LT platform is dieing....and nothing is going to change that.
Not in Stock Eliminator.
Old 02-26-2013, 01:47 PM
  #469  
Staging Lane
 
lun40119's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 53
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Longbob
Not in Stock Eliminator.
Not too sure how many of these guys are racing Stock Eliminator. Put it in the other lane Heads up vs a SBC with a 15° head or a W9 Headed Mopar and see what the outcome is.

HP/Dollar is down vs the newer stuff....it just is what it is.
Old 02-26-2013, 02:01 PM
  #470  
On The Tree
 
Longbob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 162
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

I don't know now many are racing in SE, but I was told when I got my car that the LT1 was a duck and there were much better combos. The LT1 is making a surge in SE now. It is far from a duck.

Originally Posted by lun40119
Put it in the other lane Heads up vs a SBC with a 15° head or a W9 Headed Mopar and see what the outcome is.

HP/Dollar is down vs the newer stuff....it just is what it is.
The LS1s, iron head 396s, and a couple of other combos are far more expensive than mine. A top quality LS1 is twice the cost of my LT1. The combos you mentioned don't fit into SE rules. But I will gladly line up against any combo in my class and see how it fares in a head's up run.

I bet I could hold my own.

Last edited by Longbob; 02-26-2013 at 02:07 PM. Reason: I forgot to address part of your post
Old 02-26-2013, 02:44 PM
  #471  
10 Second Club
iTrader: (8)
 
TwoFast4Lv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: LT1 land...the "409" of the 90s!
Posts: 10,023
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Ed Wright
And you had to spray yours to go nines.

There is better stuff out there than what was available nearly seven years ago when I did that. Guys are running sevens in Comp Eliminator (NA) with 320" SBCs and heads you can buy now.

And Jake is correct.
You know the differance Ed? MINE went FASTER on juice not slower
Old 02-26-2013, 03:06 PM
  #472  
9 Second Club
iTrader: (7)
 
quik95lt1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 4,464
Likes: 0
Received 12 Likes on 10 Posts

Default

so the old guys gonna argue too now?

sorry ed an ellis i had to
Old 02-26-2013, 03:08 PM
  #473  
9-Second Club
iTrader: (1)
 
Ed Wright's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Tulsa, OK
Posts: 3,397
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by TwoFast4Lv
You know the differance Ed? MINE went FASTER on juice not slower
So, when did I spray mine? I don't own a baby bottle.
Old 02-26-2013, 03:38 PM
  #474  
10 Second Club
iTrader: (8)
 
TwoFast4Lv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: LT1 land...the "409" of the 90s!
Posts: 10,023
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Ed Wright
So, when did I spray mine? I don't own a baby bottle.
OH REALLY! You are getting Old LOL! You told me on the phone all it did was blow the tires off and go slower

You know we love you old man
Old 02-26-2013, 04:14 PM
  #475  
9-Second Club
iTrader: (1)
 
Ed Wright's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Tulsa, OK
Posts: 3,397
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by TwoFast4Lv
OH REALLY! You are getting Old LOL! You told me on the phone all it did was blow the tires off and go slower

You know we love you old man
You must be on drugs. The only time I ever sprayed it was for a "shoot out" the local Camaro/Firebird club had with a Texas Buick GN club was back when mine was just running low tens in summer heat. It did blow the tires off if I sprayed it in low gear, so I just sprayed it 2nd & 3rd gears. Had to use 4th gear to make it to the finish line. Ran 9.80s that way. Took it right back off and sold it. 100 hp kit. That's the easy button for sure. If you don't know how to make one run, just spray it. It was still full weight & street legal on 9" tires then.
Old 02-26-2013, 04:17 PM
  #476  
10 Second Club
iTrader: (8)
 
TwoFast4Lv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: LT1 land...the "409" of the 90s!
Posts: 10,023
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts

Default

BUT ED! You just said you never ran it
Old 02-26-2013, 04:35 PM
  #477  
9-Second Club
iTrader: (1)
 
Ed Wright's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Tulsa, OK
Posts: 3,397
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by TwoFast4Lv
BUT ED! You just said you never ran it
I don't even count that one.
You said it "slowed down", that never happened. Picked up over 3/10th from second gear on.
Old 02-26-2013, 04:50 PM
  #478  
10 Second Club
iTrader: (8)
 
TwoFast4Lv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: LT1 land...the "409" of the 90s!
Posts: 10,023
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Ed Wright
I don't even count that one.
You said it "slowed down", that never happened. Picked up over 3/10th from second gear on.
You told me you went faster N/A then you did on juice. this was what 5-6 years ago when we talked about this? you told me the story about putting juice on it and it not working so well so you took it back off. Most go 6/10ths to a second faster on the first 100hp once you figure the traction side out.

SO either way YES you went 9s N/A and I was still daily driving mine 50 miles a day and juicing it into the nines.

I still do not under stand what that has to do with any thing?

I STILL want a biog bore and do not want to just toss all my LTx stuff to make everyone else feel beter.

And this coming from you of all people LOL!

Like I said at least we all love having you around
Old 02-26-2013, 07:18 PM
  #479  
9-Second Club
iTrader: (1)
 
Ed Wright's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Tulsa, OK
Posts: 3,397
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts

Default

Ellis, I never told anybody it was slower on nitrous. I could not spray it in low gear. It was a temporary, one day deal. Just had a starter button wired to it. Held it in my right hand while holding the wheel. Pushed the button when I wanted to spray it. Had to wait for the 1-2 shift so it wouldn't smoke the tires. Plenty of guys around here were there and can verify that.

I don't know if you are deaf, on drugs or just drunk. Who the hell would think one would run slower on nitrous? Or would be dumb enough to tell it?
It was in 2006 when I did that. I got it in the nines NA in 2007, made an SS car out of it the winter of 2008. Had an SS legal 358" in it ever since.

The 383" I pulled out at the end of 2007 is still hanging on an engine stand here in my garage right now.
Old 02-26-2013, 08:07 PM
  #480  
Staging Lane
 
lun40119's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 53
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Guys.....Guys...........Bottles are for Babies......

Gen 1 Carb'd Pickup Truck Engines go 9's Footbraking in 3600lb street cars all day long in any weather!!! With Mufflers, belt driven water pumps, and 140 amp alternators.






Quick Reply: GM race shop block



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:30 AM.