Why are we still holding on to these dinosaurs?
08-24-2010, 07:31 PM
#381
Agree with most of what you said, but you miss the LT1 owners point entirely. For less than $3000 you can buy a good LT1 spend MUCH LESS on it than an LS1 and do 9s. We don't have to throw away the original block like LS1 owners do. If we did, we'd go 502. You're the first guy I have heard call an 8 second block boring. If we're talking aftermarket support here, as it appears you are, then the LS1 wins. But most LS1 guys don't change their blocks at all, they just mod. They don't realize that it's no use, they're just going to lose to an LT1. 
08-24-2010, 07:36 PM
#382
I guess only people that post on this forum count?
http://www.advancedinduction.com/AiPerfLT1.html
"FI's 9 Second LT1 Street Car! - Forced Inductions has pounded the rollers with 1012rwhp & 909rwtq SAE with their PTK 88mm Turbo setup on an ordinary budget Eagle 355 rebuild. This street terror runs our 200cc ported GM lt1 castings, a 218/218 .544/.544 camshaft, 12-bolt rear end, and a D&D T56 6-speed. This is a full weight street car with 3680lb Raceweight!. With Jose @ FI's expertise it's run a best of 122mph in the 1/8th and 9.871 @ 156.74mph in the quarter! The fastest LT1 powered LT1 F-body ever! Click HERE for a timeslip of this record setting pass! "
And the quickest t56 car ran n/a and they said they put 5-6th gear back in for that pass iirc.
http://www.advancedinduction.com/AiPerfLT1.html
"FI's 9 Second LT1 Street Car! - Forced Inductions has pounded the rollers with 1012rwhp & 909rwtq SAE with their PTK 88mm Turbo setup on an ordinary budget Eagle 355 rebuild. This street terror runs our 200cc ported GM lt1 castings, a 218/218 .544/.544 camshaft, 12-bolt rear end, and a D&D T56 6-speed. This is a full weight street car with 3680lb Raceweight!. With Jose @ FI's expertise it's run a best of 122mph in the 1/8th and 9.871 @ 156.74mph in the quarter! The fastest LT1 powered LT1 F-body ever! Click HERE for a timeslip of this record setting pass! "
And the quickest t56 car ran n/a and they said they put 5-6th gear back in for that pass iirc.
08-24-2010, 07:58 PM
#384
They are all over the place, hell Ill bet my scrap does 9s either by the end of this yr or next yr.
That TA you posted is very impressive not sure about a faster H/C LT1 T56 but there might be. Ill look into it. Also I again didnt say the LT1 was better just it just seems to have some records in all out LT1 builds vs LS1s not LSx cars. Stock for stock a LS1 should whip a LT1. Id watch for a couple 7sec LT1s in the near future.
That TA you posted is very impressive not sure about a faster H/C LT1 T56 but there might be. Ill look into it. Also I again didnt say the LT1 was better just it just seems to have some records in all out LT1 builds vs LS1s not LSx cars. Stock for stock a LS1 should whip a LT1. Id watch for a couple 7sec LT1s in the near future.
08-24-2010, 08:03 PM
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here's an interesting thought ...instead of talking bout billys ,tony.s or carl's car talk about yours ...what you did to make it yours ..how fast your car is ...how slow your car is ...hell if its purely about horsepower and speed ...build a F3 procharged
BBC and be done with it ....or a 115 mm turboed BBC ...this whole lt VS ls argument is stupid ...I build my cars for me ...not anyone else ...dont like the color i picked ?? dont like my wheels?? engine choice ?? then go buy yourself a car and build your way,,,and I'll build mine my way..
BBC and be done with it ....or a 115 mm turboed BBC ...this whole lt VS ls argument is stupid ...I build my cars for me ...not anyone else ...dont like the color i picked ?? dont like my wheels?? engine choice ?? then go buy yourself a car and build your way,,,and I'll build mine my way..
08-24-2010, 08:06 PM
#387
LS1 is a LSx, as all GM Gen 3 motors are LSx. The tag LSX is for the aftermarket blocks. Lowercase x for factory gen 3 blocks, uppercase X for aftermarket block. All gm gen 3 blocks were designed to interchange with eachother thats why the term LSx came up!
08-24-2010, 08:06 PM
#388
I guess there's a new excuse handbook for LT1's that I must have missed? 
Better yet the guys in the LTx shootout should call out the guys in the LSx shootout to see how they match up in the same classes.
But since you insist on comparing an ls1 to an LT1 the highest dynoing stock bottom end LT1 I have ever heard about is ~450rwhp when there are multiple 500-510rwhp stock bottom end ls1's. Hell there have been cam only LS1's that made more power than my car.
08-24-2010, 08:20 PM
#389
I just like to compare apple to apples not apples to cucumbers. Taking stock head off another car and using them is not the same as the ones that came on the car. Hey Im all for swapping **** out but It changes the entire ball game as far as stock goes which means came in the f-body brand new from the factory. Sure it might have come in a GM car/truck and they are factory parts but not for the car it came in. That is not stock IMO its factory.
08-24-2010, 08:28 PM
#390
I just like to compare apple to apples not apples to cucumbers. Taking stock head off another car and using them is not the same as the ones that came on the car. Hey Im all for swapping **** out but It changes the entire ball game as far as stock goes which means came in the f-body brand new from the factory. Sure it might have come in a GM car/truck and they are factory parts but not for the car it came in. That is not stock IMO its factory.
Are you getting these excuses off the ricer forums?
I guess you better not count the ltx cars with afr or trickflow heads that are based off the sbc heads. Hell if the engine internals didn't come from from an f-body you can't count the car either.
08-24-2010, 08:36 PM
#394
Being it's open to EVERYONE for opinions you should probably put in a tampon and your big girl pants on already. You crying goes to show just how big of a bitch you really are. Someone that has so much hate towards the same family of cars needs to be ran out and forced into a Honda. Then you would fit into a class that best suits you.
I like the Ls1, it just isn't what I personally want. You aren't reading my posts.
All I've done is point out that the LT1 is worse tech and slower more often than not, and that everybody here isn't reading and fighting about multiple things that aren't even making sense.
I'm by no means a Lt1 leghumper. I know where I stand. Below the LSx. ALL of them. The LSx is DAMN impressive... tho I'm turning into a Ford Coyote 5.0 fan.
Thanks for not reading another post.
08-24-2010, 08:57 PM
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this whole argument is stupid, anything can be fast with time, money, and effort. Why the hell are we fighting within the family 
if we all thought exactly the same, this world would be an extremely boring place
it's about building what you like and enjoying it, if you dont like it then screw you do your own thing
i mean have have personally seen a 3.8 camaro tt that would beat the **** out of many lsx/ltx cars, its about what you like, why ya gotta hate
if we all thought exactly the same, this world would be an extremely boring place
it's about building what you like and enjoying it, if you dont like it then screw you do your own thing
i mean have have personally seen a 3.8 camaro tt that would beat the **** out of many lsx/ltx cars, its about what you like, why ya gotta hate
08-24-2010, 09:21 PM
#399
Find any heads cam intake intake CI etc LS1 block that beats Big Ricks. I have not seen one. Here the racing section or other forums.
There are far more LS1s racing than LT1s So shootout would prob never happen. But altimitly if it were the fastest LT1 block vs LS1 block we could win and have the record until I see a LS1 block beat a LT1 block.
08-24-2010, 10:42 PM
#400
Sure but count them against LS1s that had to take other heads throw on their LS1 blocks. We all know an Lt1 doesnt have the head flow to go stock H/C to stock H/C package.
Find any heads cam intake intake CI etc LS1 block that beats Big Ricks. I have not seen one. Here the racing section or other forums.
There are far more LS1s racing than LT1s So shootout would prob never happen. But altimitly if it were the fastest LT1 block vs LS1 block we could win and have the record until I see a LS1 block beat a LT1 block.
Find any heads cam intake intake CI etc LS1 block that beats Big Ricks. I have not seen one. Here the racing section or other forums.
There are far more LS1s racing than LT1s So shootout would prob never happen. But altimitly if it were the fastest LT1 block vs LS1 block we could win and have the record until I see a LS1 block beat a LT1 block.
Or the budget people the spend big $$ re-sleeving an ls1 block when they can build a 402-416 for a fraction of the cost? That's part of the beauty of the LSx. With all the options out there it's a hell of a lot easier and cheaper to build a fast one. The only reason you are making this stupid request is the lt1 guys don't have another block to use which leans the argument even more to the side of the lsx series of motors.