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Old Mar 19, 2017 | 04:13 AM
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Shyt, if id do it over again id just get an aftermarket sbc block and build that up.... f' lsx, they sound like tug boats...
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..........I'm down to purchase a block, for sure. Am I willing to put my money on hold for who knows how long to do it? Nope.

World is a very large, and very wealthy company. I will not be paying for their design and tooling costs out of my pocket...but if they actually take the risk and provide a product, I will be purchasing one for sure.
See? My sentiments exactly!

Hope you diehards are ultimately successful in your venture....

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Yeah, but when you get to that point, it's all relative. In my situation, I would spend several thousand dollars on just the block, plus whatever I donated, then I'd have to consider the rotating assy, heads/intake/exhaust to take advantage of more CID, plus the plethora of other small details, it gets real expensive. Because I have an f-body, I'd much rather deal with an aftermarket that's already been out there for several years with the LS platform.
Agreed. But at that point too, your pretty much just using a standard SBC platform and using that tried and true technology. And still come out as competitive without having to spend thousands on a aftermarket block. Plus these days, there is more done with less coming from a CID standpoint. It doesnt even take 400+ CID to run sub 4.99s anymore. I think sbc has flooded the market more than LS. We just have a different timing cover and a 1 piece rear main seal.
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Old Mar 21, 2017 | 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirty_Bird
Shyt, if id do it over again id just get an aftermarket sbc block and build that up.... f' lsx, they sound like tug boats...
I think a LT1 will always sound better than a LS. But a tug boat though? So true!
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Old Mar 21, 2017 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by SwampWS6
I think sbc has flooded the market more than LS. We just have a different timing cover and a 1 piece rear main seal.
And an engine that's half way under the cowl. That and maintaining the stock EMS are the reasons I have not gone traditional SBC, unless there have been developments made recently that I'm unaware of. I'm all about keeping it as simple as possible without having to modify the engine bay. As far as I know, this block or the LS would be the easiest way to "plug/play" which I'm all for.
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Old Mar 21, 2017 | 10:42 AM
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Cant really argue the fact that LS is the easiest and most forgiving.
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Old Mar 21, 2017 | 05:55 PM
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I still think a big cube LT1 is more appealing then an LS swap. If and when someone finally steps up, you can be sure I will purchase one. Just don't want to fund it myself lol.

Opens the floodgates to real SBC race stuff where the sky is the limit. Want a 600hp daily? Ez. Current LT1 heads can support that. 900hp NA monster? Sure, just bring your wallet. Imagine peoples faces at the track when you crank off a few 8.xx's with an all motor LT1 . Heck, half the parts could be gotten for relatively cheap on racingjunk and ebay from race takeoffs. For a street build you can even run the crappy stock computer still if you want...its not as big of a handicap on a big cube street build that only spins 6k rpm. Not to mention our accessories will all be in the correct spot and will be a drop in deal vs a swap.

Still not "cheap" per say, but feasible. As of now though, just a pipe dream...
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Old Mar 22, 2017 | 12:56 PM
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I am ready for more cubes!! 434 sounds good to me. Not iron either. I want the aluminum version.
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Originally Posted by Puck
Opens the floodgates to real SBC race stuff where the sky is the limit. Want a 600hp daily? Ez. Current LT1 heads can support that. 900hp NA monster? Sure, just bring your wallet. Imagine peoples faces at the track when you crank off a few 8.xx's with an all motor LT1
Wondering exactly where a LT1 intake manifold becomes a restriction?

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I am ready for more cubes!! 434 sounds good to me. Not iron either. I want the aluminum version.
lulzz... you don't ask for much.
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Old Mar 22, 2017 | 06:42 PM
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Wondering exactly where a LT1 intake manifold becomes a restriction?


lulzz... you don't ask for much.
No clue HP wise, probably isn't a restriction in 99% of NA builds...Being a Vet you know all this already, but for others reading rumor has it if you spin over 7k there are supposed gains to be had. Few people take em that high due to our **** computers though so not too many examples to pull from. Besides that for big shots of nitrous it will distribute better on a single plane...but IMO you should be direct port by then so thats a moot point as well. The benefit of the higher flowing single plane intakes seem to be countered by the loss of plenum volume - I remember Ed stating that he tested spacers on a single plane and motor was still making hp improvements when he stopped at ******* 7" of spacers .

I'd have a Hogan if money wasn't an object or if one popped up for cheap. Would be a bear to match to my "unique" (hogged the **** out) heads though.

Long story short, our stock intake with a port job is a badass piece. Heads are still **** though lol.
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Old Mar 22, 2017 | 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
lulzz... you don't ask for much.
Hey man, if I am spending good money I want the best option.

speaking of best options, what would be the best option to utilize a 11:5.1 383 with a solid roller 244/254
.637 .629 110+4 reving to 7k? Still running stock castings.
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Originally Posted by CamOnlyJabroni
.......speaking of best options, what would be the best option to utilize a 11:5.1 383 with a solid roller 244/254
.637 .629 110+4 reving to 7k? Still running stock castings.
Time for a new thread.........

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Originally Posted by Dirty_Bird
Shyt, if id do it over again id just get an aftermarket sbc block and build that up.... f' lsx, they sound like tug boats...
Not done right they don't,but I am still partial to LT soundz.


This Motown block is a pipe dream...just LS swap and be done.
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Old Mar 23, 2017 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Puck
Long story short, our stock intake with a port job is a badass piece. Heads are still **** though lol.
That's what I would want to do. Make a 434 look like it had nothing more than "LT4 hotcam/heads and headers."
Years ago I even bead blasted the red powder coating off the intake so I wouldn't get the "OMG LT4, you should run 9'z!11"

Originally Posted by CamOnlyJabroni
Hey man, if I am spending good money I want the best option.
Completely understood.
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Old Mar 23, 2017 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
That's what I would want to do. Make a 434 look like it had nothing more than "LT4 hotcam/heads and headers."
Years ago I even bead blasted the red powder coating off the intake so I wouldn't get the "OMG LT4, you should run 9'z!11"


Completely understood.
You'd make quite a bit of scratch on the side with a build like that down here. Park it with the hood open and wait for people to bite lol!
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When I did race I'd never raise my hood. Told them it wasn't a car show. Some bit, others didn't, including cars I know who could beat mine. It's all about the hustle.
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Old Mar 23, 2017 | 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
When I did race I'd never raise my hood. Told them it wasn't a car show. Some bit, others didn't, including cars I know who could beat mine. It's all about the hustle.

LOL, who did you "hustle" with your 12-second beast?
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LOL, who did you "hustle" with your 12-second beast?
He hustled Joe
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LOL, who did you "hustle" with your 12-second beast?
Tried to hustle you in your call out thread. Instead, you got all butt hurt, ran to a moderator and cried.

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He hustled Joe
If you're referring to Overton I didn't hustle him. I tried to run a car that they claimed had more power than basically any LT1 had made at the time. Wanted Joe to drive since he was the one talking it up and he wouldn't do it. Damn was he mad. Those were the days...
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Old Mar 24, 2017 | 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
Tried to hustle you in your call out thread. Instead, you got all butt hurt, ran to a moderator and cried.


If you're referring to Overton I didn't hustle him. I tried to run a car that they claimed had more power than basically any LT1 had made at the time. Wanted Joe to drive since he was the one talking it up and he wouldn't do it. Damn was he mad. Those were the days...

Hustle me online? LMAO! You have to show up to the event to hustle. Don't change the rules now. Like you were ever going to make it to the shootout. I would have loved to see you run some mid 12's in the 4500+ft DA.

I'd love to hear more of this story on you trying to "hustle" Joe Overton. Fill us in please. I always wondered why you had so much disdain for him. Is that because he kept getting faster and faster and set the N/A record while you are 50 car lengths behind and stuck in 1997?
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