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Old 06-09-2007, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by LT1TA
ok, i'm reading and learning here. So what will the cost be for the average swap of an a4 to a m6. How exactly do you drive the stall converters? How do you avoid the stall when driving normally in the street? i like both but i have never driven a m6 and i have never ridin in a car with a tc. Has anyone found pros and cons with vigilant tc's?? that's who my eyes were on.

Also, chevy94c, how much did those upgrades cost for your tranny? just curious
i got a 3600-3700 huge stall (restalled by someone but originally a Vigilante) ***** badass when it hooks
Old 06-10-2007, 02:27 AM
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Dont bash me on this but isnt there a 6speed automatic transmission. I heard of one for the new escalade. But is there one for a fbody.
Old 06-10-2007, 05:31 AM
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Yes, there are 6spd. autos in the trucks and the Vettes. Vettes get the paddle shift. Maybe they will offer a 6spd. auto in the new camaro. My guess says yes.
Old 06-10-2007, 08:35 AM
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so there arent any that you can put in a 4th gen
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It is true that the M6 is a little annoying when in heavy traffic especially on our local cruise night every August, holding and letting out the clutch hurts your foot after awhile, but I still prefer it over the A4.

1993 Pontiac Formula M6, Stock with 3" exaust hollowed cat no muffler.
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i love my T56.. traffic. open road. wheverever. its what makes the car so good
Old 08-22-2008, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by That_guy
so there arent any that you can put in a 4th gen
Got it on mine
Old 08-23-2008, 11:21 AM
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Ive had both and the only time an auto is better is at the track. Ill take a 6spd anyday.
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This is an old one..

I'm putting in a built T56 cause I keep shredding A4's.. and it's just the right time to do it..
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Originally Posted by AChotrod
Ive had both and the only time an auto is better is at the track. Ill take a 6spd anyday.
Seems that we agree AChotrod.
Old 08-23-2008, 11:17 PM
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I just think it takes the "sports car" OUT of the "Sports car". They should of never even offered a auto. This is my 4th f-body 2 autos, 2 6spds

oh and I should say.... I only think auto's benifit on the first 60' of the track.
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It does, I mean my Firehawk is an auto so I really cant talk. But the next F-body I buy will most definitely be a 6 speed. More than likely next season when I get the H/C on the Hawk and finish up what I wanted to do with that (Just a full bolt ons/full suspension/H/C Firehawk that is still daily driveable making 400+rwhp and running high 11s).

Next car might be a little more extreme than that, but I have no solid idea yet...
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This is a good thread to read for someone whose considering one of these cars. Thanks to pretty much everyone who posted; helped a lot.
Think i'd prefer a m6 for the all around 'more fun to drive' factor; but, when shopping (at least for me,) in the end its going to come down to which car is the cleanest of the bunch you're looking at.
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I had an automatic and made it a T-56. Never regretted it, my friend converted me.

As far as stalls and all that goes, with my T-56 I now have any size stall I want!
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there was a A4 to T-56 swap manual going around for a while...anyone seen it. Im thinking about converting mine. Thanks!
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I had it saved somewhere on my computer, I will see if I can find it for you...

Its not too complicated Bad Tx, hardest part will be getting the tranny out... Cutting the holes for the shifter/mounting the pedals is pie.
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I never understood how people complain about a 6 speeds in traffic? The first few weeks its tough on your clutch foot(since you never use it) but then I get so used to it I dont even realize Im driving stick most the time.
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i have always had manual cars...my Z was my first auto, and for about 2 months of driving it, i was still trying to mash the clutch to start the car...
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Look its a hydraulic clutch, no biggie. I got in a 64 Vette the other day, now there was a interesting clutch pedal. I didn't drive it, I still haven't driven anything with a mechanical linkage, but man did that thing feel weird to me.

I had a V6 five speed third gen, I think that was more fun to drive than the heads/(cam?) 350/700R4 83 Z28 I replaced it with. Got rid of it for the 94 with the t56, no regrets.
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Originally Posted by AChotrod
I just think it takes the "sports car" OUT of the "Sports car". They should of never even offered a auto.
The fbody isn't really a sports car. It's a muscle car. If you look at a sports car you should have a manual transmission, 2 seats, lightweight, excellent handling and a big price tag. Like a Corvette or Viper for example.

But muscle cars are supposed to be aggressive looking, loud, mid size or bigger, big motor, back seat, affordable price tag and ideal for straight line performance. That sounds like an F-body which can come with an auto or a manual transmission. And in drag racing applications the auto is often preferred.

Originally Posted by AChotrod
oh and I should say.... I only think auto's benifit on the first 60' of the track.
I think there are four benifits. One is definately the 60' with a proper stall and tires. Second is how it can preload the drivetrain helping to keep the 10 bolts alive. Third is that computer shifts are fast and flawless each and every time.

Finally the auto also has the advantage of two shifts at the track vs the manuals three shifts. This is significant at the top end of the track when M6's have to shift the third time and the auto doesn't.

Watch this vid. This is on a stock GM 10 bolt BTW (don't try this with a M6). Notice how fast and sharp the two shifts are. It's hard to duplicate that with a manual even when powershifting.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/W...ime_192199.htm

But for a street car that rarely or never goes to the track I say M6 all the way. May as well take advantage of better MPG, better roll racing ability and more HP to the wheels.


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