View Poll Results: LT1 LS1 LID CONVERSION???
Yes As Soon As They Started Selling
36
35.64%
No Not Interested
21
20.79%
Maybe Depending on price
45
44.55%
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LT1 LS1 Airlid Conversion
Originally Posted by 346Vette
Good god, whats wrong with a LT1 CAI? I hate lids!
Originally Posted by FASTFATBOY
Unless you sheilded it somehow, that setup is pulling hot air right off the radiator/condenser. The only way that would work is with a lower box and a Fast Times ram air type deal under it.
Just my .o2
David
Just my .o2
David
I think you need to look into it a little more bro..
Last edited by the_merv; Jul 18, 2007 at 01:43 AM.
Originally Posted by the_merv
It sucks *** compared to the way I got mine setup. I am actually getting air off the Street.
I think you need to look into it a little more bro..
I think you need to look into it a little more bro..
I got eyes, I can see where the filter is sitting...I dont need to search it.
David
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I think Merv is correct about where the air comes from... It hits the lip under the car and goes up in front of the radiator/condenser. normal Lt1s just have the shroud covering the top and all the air is forced through the radiator/condenser. the LS1 conversion lets it come through the top part into the lid straigh to the intake. I have seen something where someone covered some of the radiator with piece of sheet metal to force more air up through the top vs. through the rad. Either way, the faster you go, the more air gets pushed through. forgive the retard pic but here's a MS paint sketch of how mine looks and I'm assuming unless you guys removed pieces a stock camaro should have these parts somewhat like I've drawn....
I'm still wondering about the stock LS1 shroud fitting under a sunoco hood. Anyone? Bueller? Bueller??
I'm still wondering about the stock LS1 shroud fitting under a sunoco hood. Anyone? Bueller? Bueller??
Last edited by hyperzone; Feb 7, 2008 at 10:15 PM.
Since this has been brought back from the dead. How are those of you who have converted holding the lid down? I saw Merv and Ellis's setup used screws, but can you elaborate?
I think Merv is correct about where the air comes from... It hits the lip under the car and goes up in front of the radiator/condenser. normal Lt1s just have the shroud covering the top and all the air is forced through the radiator/condenser. the LS1 conversion lets it come through the top part into the lid straigh to the intake. I have seen something where someone covered some of the radiator with piece of sheet metal to force more air up through the top vs. through the rad. Either way, the faster you go, the more air gets pushed through. forgive the retard pic but here's a MS paint sketch of how mine looks and I'm assuming unless you guys removed pieces a stock camaro should have these parts somewhat like I've drawn....
Close bro..this is how mine is setup.. a little more indepth than some of you guys..but it works good.
I used your pic..
This is how the Car looks..
will a 3" coupler fit on a stock throttle body? i ask because ive been working on this conversion as a si8de project but my 3" wont work and i dont know where to get a 3 1/2? thanks.
Last edited by strokin93z; Feb 8, 2008 at 10:33 PM.
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Verdad Gallardo I am not even going to go into this mess again. Heat RISES is all you need to know. DO a scan of IAT temps on this setup VS a CAI.
SOmeone already did a track comparison with no gains....BUT if you shielded the radiator heat you would have something. Cooler air makes more power, we all know that. Most of the guys who have done this mod have the filter SITTING on TOP of the radiator...come on guys.
All it would take is a piece of sheetmetal with some of that stick on heat shielding on the back..simple, but I have yet to see someone do it.
David
Anyone want to answer how they have their lid secured? From what I saw a from the people that posted they used screws, but what are they attached to?
You shouldn't have to wait too much longer. I'll be taking the SLP lid off of my 98 and putting it on my 93. I'll be making a ram air setup like the FTRA to help against the hot air. Should be a month - month and a half before the whole car's done.
You shouldn't have to wait too much longer. I'll be taking the SLP lid off of my 98 and putting it on my 93. I'll be making a ram air setup like the FTRA to help against the hot air. Should be a month - month and a half before the whole car's done.
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Then show us the dyno numbers of the car, before and after the install.
I am not even going to go into this mess again. Heat RISES is all you need to know. DO a scan of IAT temps on this setup VS a CAI.
SOmeone already did a track comparison with no gains....BUT if you shielded the radiator heat you would have something. Cooler air makes more power, we all know that. Most of the guys who have done this mod have the filter SITTING on TOP of the radiator...come on guys.
All it would take is a piece of sheetmetal with some of that stick on heat shielding on the back..simple, but I have yet to see someone do it.
David
SOmeone already did a track comparison with no gains....BUT if you shielded the radiator heat you would have something. Cooler air makes more power, we all know that. Most of the guys who have done this mod have the filter SITTING on TOP of the radiator...come on guys.
All it would take is a piece of sheetmetal with some of that stick on heat shielding on the back..simple, but I have yet to see someone do it.
David
Yea..heat rises when you are sitting still..
So basically you are saying that when you are moving and the Air deflects off of the Air Dam that is INFRONT of the SLANTED Radiator that it's hot Air from the Radiator..?
Yea...I'm not buyin that one..expecially how I have mine..
After all the brain damage I got about my sealed to the hood ram air box having NO advantage over a CAI.....you are gonna tell me that the air deflector under the car pushes up enough air to have an affect on ANYTHING? COme on dude.
Run you car down the interstate, pop the hood and put you hand on ANYTHING near the radiator...hot aint it? If you look at a STOCK LS1 setup, the bottom of the box is isolated from the radiator/condenser.
These guys that cut a damn hole in the core support and set the filter on TOP of the radiator and condenser have got to be crazy if they think that is helping the car.
But I tell ya what, you go on thinking that it is the best mod since glass packs.
David
Run you car down the interstate, pop the hood and put you hand on ANYTHING near the radiator...hot aint it? If you look at a STOCK LS1 setup, the bottom of the box is isolated from the radiator/condenser.
These guys that cut a damn hole in the core support and set the filter on TOP of the radiator and condenser have got to be crazy if they think that is helping the car.
But I tell ya what, you go on thinking that it is the best mod since glass packs.
David
After all the brain damage I got about my sealed to the hood ram air box having NO advantage over a CAI.....you are gonna tell me that the air deflector under the car pushes up enough air to have an affect on ANYTHING? COme on dude.
Run you car down the interstate, pop the hood and put you hand on ANYTHING near the radiator...hot aint it? If you look at a STOCK LS1 setup, the bottom of the box is isolated from the radiator/condenser.
Run you car down the interstate, pop the hood and put you hand on ANYTHING near the radiator...hot aint it? If you look at a STOCK LS1 setup, the bottom of the box is isolated from the radiator/condenser.
We can go back and forth all day with this..your experiences aren't the same as everyone elses, and the same could be said for me as well.
Last edited by the_merv; Feb 10, 2008 at 07:40 PM.
Guys Ive been collecting parts for a few months for this conversion. Ive now got it on (as of yesterday), this is what I used:
SLP lid and K&N
LS1 shroud
4in to 3in rubber adapter hose (for the TB to MAF, bought at Home Depot)
3in to 3in rubber hose (for the MAF to the Lid, also bought at Home Depot)
Fast Toys air induction
2.5in fiberglass hood
All is installed, I didnt hack up the car at all. I did cut the plastic piece off of the bottom of the shroud so I could have a place for the FTRA. It was put in place and bolted down, the back of it is about an inch from the condensor, thinking some heat shielding would help keep the temps on the FTRA down.
But the big problems is the LS1 shroud is not fitting under the hood. I removed all excess material off the hood but its hitting the top still. I removed as much plastic from the bottom of the shroud so it would sit flush along the core support...still not enough. Trying to keep the stock LS1 stuff but looking like I might need to do something like merv did to get some more clearance.
Any other suggestions for those using the LS1 shroud? It looks great if nothing else...really helps clean up the engine compartment I think. Just need to get the hood to close!!
SLP lid and K&N
LS1 shroud
4in to 3in rubber adapter hose (for the TB to MAF, bought at Home Depot)
3in to 3in rubber hose (for the MAF to the Lid, also bought at Home Depot)
Fast Toys air induction
2.5in fiberglass hood
All is installed, I didnt hack up the car at all. I did cut the plastic piece off of the bottom of the shroud so I could have a place for the FTRA. It was put in place and bolted down, the back of it is about an inch from the condensor, thinking some heat shielding would help keep the temps on the FTRA down.
But the big problems is the LS1 shroud is not fitting under the hood. I removed all excess material off the hood but its hitting the top still. I removed as much plastic from the bottom of the shroud so it would sit flush along the core support...still not enough. Trying to keep the stock LS1 stuff but looking like I might need to do something like merv did to get some more clearance.
Any other suggestions for those using the LS1 shroud? It looks great if nothing else...really helps clean up the engine compartment I think. Just need to get the hood to close!!
Ok, I think I understand how you did it. You basically attached a metal flat bar to the bottom of the lid, then bent the top lip of the radiator like an upside down L to attach it to. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
I did the mod, one of the first few to do the mod. ONLY maybe a 5hp difference over the Lt1 CAI. Its not worth the money or letting your engine bay looks go to crap.
Let the ls1 lid conversion die already, Taner's LT1 runs low 9's with a K&N CAI, i'm pretty sure thats good enough for your 11,12, and 13 second cars.
Let the ls1 lid conversion die already, Taner's LT1 runs low 9's with a K&N CAI, i'm pretty sure thats good enough for your 11,12, and 13 second cars.
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If infact the CAI is so much better due to the ls1's design, then why didn't then infact put an air intake elbow on the LS1's along w/ MAF and a CAI? Same body style no problems there...?
They change stuff for a reason, called trial and error
They change stuff for a reason, called trial and error