Originally Posted by 06X6spdGTO

Sorry, but there are MANY 4th GEN Fbodys that are 11 Second cars with Intake,Tune, Exhaust, Gears, Drag radials that cost a HELLUVA A LOT Less than 27K!

And if you want to start check stock ported head and cam the LS1 has been a better Powerband (hp/tq) with the Cartek 4x setup.

Originally Posted by LSXNV

The LS3 makes more torque then the 5.0 at the same horse power level. That simply translates into a win. The only way around this is giving the LS3 a gearing disadvantage.

Originally Posted by 06X6spdGTO

It Sure does get better and better! Everyday another mustang owner post up on to LS1tech.com to promote the DOHC VVT 5.0l. Then gets argues driveability, Torque, Weight, Peak HP numbers, etc... on why we should look out for the MUSTANG but post very little factual info. Other than a DYNO graph with no SAE correction Factor, compression Ratio Info, Fuel info, or even a FULLY installed Price!

Even worse they get hurt that some of the LSx crowd isnt impressed that you put almost $7K into the car to make 507HP @ 7600rpm and matched the Torque curve of a 4-clydr WRX.

Want to impress us?!? Stick with the 03/04 Cobras! Its the best out of the box chassis and power plant combo youve had in YEARS!!

I guess your own Mustang supporter, TRAV4011 described your 5.0L best

Originally Posted by F8L BYT

Ricer math FTL... You cant ever compare the price differences with old cars vs new cars two completely different leagues and I hate when people try that



Translates into a win huh? Prove it... Name one time when you go to the track or even roll race for that matter when you are under 3k rpm at the very lowest... Yes torque makes a car feel awesome and gives that SOTP feeling and you really cant beat that but in a race you are at high rpm's the entire time so its not relevant then.



Im not a newb and brand loyalist by any means but I know when to respect cars and the things that are accomplished but I guess that is too much for some individuals to accept when another brand makes a impressive product.

I gave all of the information that I had available, I'm pretty sure it is still stock compression because I doubt the heads were milled or anything of that nature and its stock internals, and most dyno's are corrected these days and the calculations are placed into them before any run is made but there is that possibility that this dyno is rather old, who knows.

I never expected for anyone to praise the new gt or anything like that by any means but some people need to grow up and give respect where respect is due. However, I guess that's just too much to ask from some people, which is very sad to think about.

Originally Posted by LSXNV

I wouldn't go that far. I mean, its these pissing contests that have fueled our hobby since the day the first internal combustion automotive engine started.

And some may think this is blind brand loyalty, and for some it may be. But like I posted before, I want an engine that has alot of area under the curve. Thats what you feel, and it makes for the best street strip car (isn't that what most of us want?). And I want all that for less money then the other dude's engine.

The Coyote is a great engine with alot of potential. It is just too one sided as far as HP/TQ goes. And truth be told, I am willing to bet a 450hp LS3 will win over a 500hp 5.0 at the strip all else being equal.

Originally Posted by F8L BYT

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Translates into a win huh? Prove it... Name one time when you go to the track or even roll race for that matter when you are under 3k rpm at the very lowest... Yes torque makes a car feel awesome and gives that SOTP feeling and you really cant beat that but in a race you are at high rpm's the entire time so its not relevant then.

Originally Posted by MonmouthCtyLS7

and whats your point, from the looks of it you dont have a LS3...or a LS motor at all?

Originally Posted by Irunelevens

MAYBE if you put the LS3 in the Mustang. Is the LS3 an awesome engine? Absolutely. But the car that Chevrolet put it in (Corvette isn't the same class, so don't bother playing that card) weighs 300lbs more than the Mustang. And it's been shown time and time again that not only will the new Mustang GT outrun a Camaro SS when both cars are stock, but it will do the same damage mod-for-mod. When the H/C/I packages really start coming out for this car, we'll be able to compare even more.

Originally Posted by 06X6spdGTO

F8L and 1quickz have u ever wonder how a heavy as duramax diesel truck manges to run 12s at the track and beat *** on the street!?! It might only make 450bhp but it makes tonz of torque!!

Secondly I would take a 2010 h/c/I ss over a 2011 5.0 gt. It should be a damn good race considering the ss makes a better avg torque curve

Originally Posted by LSXNV

Under 3k? I don't know many LS engines making torque peak that low. And that initial hit off the line, you know, where tires are being pulled off the ground and chassis are twisting and that pull each time you shift. That's torque. Its what makes you move. Its what causes acceleration. And its what makes the horsepower. (Torque X RPM) / 5252 = Horsepower.

Originally Posted by gocartone

Then why are there so many shitbox Hondas with no torque at all running so fast? Magic?

Originally Posted by 1QWIKZ

grow up and quit yer bitchin. i used to be a hardcore mustang fanboy, until the arrival of the LS1. thats when i realized that what i really loved and appreciated was american muscle. you need to accept what the new coyote engine is, a modern day marvel...just like LS1 used to be. there is nothing wrong with praising a car, no matter what brand it is....and just to let you know, i am saving my pennies for a gt500.