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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 10:29 AM
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IMO the whole point of terms such as "bolt on" are so people can give others a fairly good idea what is done without rattling off every part they have put on specifically.

If someone says "bolt on ls1" car you can be fairly certain you are talking about a 330-350 rwhp car.


The only reasons I can see someone diluting the term to include serious upgrades to forced induction parts are: if the person is a sleazy liar of a street race hustler or they want to make themselves feel special since they're calling a car with triple its original HP or more something less to downplay the work and cost involved to elevate what they're working with to unicorn status.
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Originally Posted by thunderstruck507
The only reasons I can see someone diluting the term to include serious upgrades to forced induction parts are: if the person is a sleazy liar of a street race hustler or they want to make themselves feel special since they're calling a car with triple its original HP or more something less to downplay the work and cost involved to elevate what they're working with to unicorn status.
Or if you have a Supra.
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 10:51 AM
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Haha look at this..

http://www.supraforums.com/forum/sho...1-V8-MK4-Supra...

I guess some of them are trollin over here to **** on the OP..
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 11:47 AM
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kracin, you sir are a ******* retard..

You DO realize that wrecked Supra TTs sell for almost 10 grand right? This car has brand new paint, new rims, new tires, killer stereo, built trans, TRD LSD rear, and a $9k 530 HP motor in it that sounds like the world is coming to an end. It's easily worth 20 grand.

Apparently, though, you think the motor is "worthless." Wow. And I do find it pathetic that the Supra FANBOIZ have to come over here and jack off 2JZs. Oh, and get some new material, the "redneck" talk is getting real old.

Sooo what Supra do you drive? Fool probably owns a MK3.

The guy is comparing putting on headers to throwing on an entire turbo kit! How can you be so stupid?
1, that is not the TRD rear end that is highly sought after, it is the one for the NA rear end, the difference between the NA rear end and the TT rear end is the difference between an 8.8" and a 9" (or 10 bolt to 12 bolt for you chebby guys)

2, no way in hell will he EVER be able to get that much for the car. People know they are going to get lowballed on wrecked/salvage supras, so they over-inflate the price and hope that they get an offer for what they want out of the car.

3, ok, your a hick. I will stop with the redneck talk (yes, there is a difference between a hick and a redneck)

4, I do own a MKIII. I would feel too bad putting a MKIV into a wall at the track, MKIII shells can be found all day for 1k, and with the right mounts the 2jz bolts right in

5, Your right, it will probably take you longer to install headers on your cars.


Originally Posted by thunderstruck507
IMO the whole point of terms such as "bolt on" are so people can give others a fairly good idea what is done without rattling off every part they have put on specifically.

If someone says "bolt on ls1" car you can be fairly certain you are talking about a 330-350 rwhp car.


The only reasons I can see someone diluting the term to include serious upgrades to forced induction parts are: if the person is a sleazy liar of a street race hustler or they want to make themselves feel special since they're calling a car with triple its original HP or more something less to downplay the work and cost involved to elevate what they're working with to unicorn status.
Im sorry, but I dont see bolt on LS1 cars being 330-350whp cars. Then again, most of the mustangs and camaros around here are "stock" yet they trap 125+.

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Haha look at this..

http://www.supraforums.com/forum/sho...1-V8-MK4-Supra...

I guess some of them are trollin over here to **** on the OP..
Wow, give this man a PHD. Only took him a few days to figure it out!
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by foreverpsycotic

Im sorry, but I dont see bolt on LS1 cars being 330-350whp cars.
Are you serious?

They are 290-300rwhp stock. Headers and exhaust alone will add 20-30hp with tune for them. Then you still have intake lid, underdrive pulley, ported tb, intake manifold swaps, electric water pumps, etc etc etc.
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 12:24 PM
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Wow this **** went from stupid to retarded. Someone needs to lock this ****.
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 12:43 PM
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What a stupid ******* thread.

OP: Great looking car with a nice little engine in it. Enjoy driving it!
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by thunderstruck507
Are you serious?

They are 290-300rwhp stock. Headers and exhaust alone will add 20-30hp with tune for them. Then you still have intake lid, underdrive pulley, ported tb, intake manifold swaps, electric water pumps, etc etc etc.
I laughed my *** off at this comment. We are still the ignorant ones here though. Even mustang guys know that these cars get a healthy bump from intake/exhaust upgrades. Not only this but there has been some stock LS fbodys dyno into the 310-320 rwhp mark. Of course those are probably happy dynos but i guess in Supra land that's what matters... Peak numbers on a dyno.
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Thats a badass car. As long as the supra pole smokers are paying for your ****. Don't worry bout em and they're bullshit.
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 02:11 PM
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Exactly. I've seen a stock 02 SS 6spd car pull 305 at the wheels in person, Dynojet, and that was after correction.

Tuned with full Exhaust(Headers & decent piping) and Intake(Lid with good Filter) will pull 350 at the ground no problem on a stick car.

Originally Posted by foreverpsycotic
Im sorry, but I dont see bolt on LS1 cars being 330-350whp cars.
That's cause you spend too much time bobbing your head in your boyfriend's lap as he's driving his Supra down the road. Do some research here instead of talking **** here and you will see that no problem.

Originally Posted by foreverpsycotic
Wow, give this man a PHD. Only took him a few days to figure it out!
Na I been eyeballin it for a week..figured I'd share the wealth and show some of the mods here your purpose is to troll and be a douche.


I'll elaborate..

Originally Posted by foreverpsycotic
Wow, users from SVT are pissed. My work here is done. Now to accomplish the same goal on ls1tech
Originally Posted by foreverpsycotic
Im still not banned (yet)
You're lucky I'm not a Mod. Go troll somewhere's else ******.

Originally Posted by TheHitman
Wow this **** went from stupid to retarded. Someone needs to lock this ****.
Agreed..all the nutswingers have arrived to one giant sweaty ******* orgy of ricer fail.

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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by foreverpsycotic
1, that is not the TRD rear end that is highly sought after, it is the one for the NA rear end, the difference between the NA rear end and the TT rear end is the difference between an 8.8" and a 9" (or 10 bolt to 12 bolt for you chebby guys)
LOL, thanks for another post. Yep, the TRD LSD isn't the one that's sought after...that's why guys go 7s on them.

You don't think bolt-on LS1s are 330-350whp cars?...

Get yourself a clue buddy...and maybe a life considering you have nothing better to do than troll other car forums. Can someone ban this joker?
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by KS-LS1
LOL, thanks for another post. Yep, the TRD LSD isn't the one that's sought after...that's why guys go 7s on them.

You don't think bolt-on LS1s are 330-350whp cars?...

Get yourself a clue buddy...and maybe a life considering you have nothing better to do than troll other car forums. Can someone ban this joker?
ban this joker? why not just lock this thread, its like talking to a retarded rock that cant even count to potato


like for instance, that he is talking about using the n/a TRD lsd which is a different ratio than the TT and auto LSD... not the sames ones everyone wants in their cars.

some people like to go faster than 158 mph in their cars....

if you are running a 700r4 with a .7:1 4th gear, regular sized wheels and tires (oversized from stock as well). and revving that 421 to max with those 4.08 gears, you won't even beat a bpu supra in a roll race lol, he will pass you up cause youll be topped out.

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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by KS-LS1
Wow, you are incomprehensibly stupid.

First off, learn how to quote properly. It's not hard. Secondly, I own the car posted, just to clarify since you obviously missed that, genius.

I will have no problem getting $20k for this car. If you think otherwise you're an idiot, plain and simple. Going on and on with the "redneck" insults, so predictable and lame. Wouldn't expect anything else from a Supra fanboy though, they get all butthurt at the slightest things but attempt to dish it out constantly.

So the engine in the car is "worthless" yet if I put it in a heavier car it's no longer worthless? Brilliant, just brilliant. It gets the Supra moving just fine, thanks. If you're going to be talking about a 530 HP motor as worthless then you had better be driving something making some ridiculous power or you just look like a fool. (I.E. you)

And now to my favorite part...NO ONE, I MEAN NO ONE on Earth considers a turbo kit upgrade to be a bolt-on. Even Supra people use queer little terms like BPU for a bolt on car or APU (Advanced Performance Upgrades) to talk about cars with single turbo upgrades. Now, since you think you know so much about Supras, does something "advanced" (using your own groups terminology) sound like a bolt-on to you? You're just ******* retarded, plain and simple.

I guess the LS1 owners that have turbo kits on their cars refer to them as bolt-on cars, right? Just took off the stock manifolds and bolted on a few hundred HP! Yep, that Procharger just bolted right on, I must have a bolt-on car because I used bolts!

Who knew?
fyi... bpu means basic performance upgrades, and apu mean advanced performance upgrades.... figured your redneck common sense would catch that? nope? well look it up, it takes 2 seconds on google.

oh here ya go. i did it for you, didnt think your wooden computer would process it fast enough to find it while you smoked your corn cob pipe on the stoop

http://www.suprastore.com/bpuwhatdoesi.html




as for the turbo thing, once again you could bother to search and you would find that everyones definition of a bolt on will not encompass a turbo or turbo kit. not to mention a car that comes with a turbo can easily bolt on another turbo or turbo setup without changing ANYTHING but that turbo and manifold/exhaust. like the supra.

here is something

multiple sources show

Originally posted by timgray:

Bolt-ON means without removing the engine I can unbolt a part, bolt on this part and suddenly I have more horsepower.

Truelo Intake = Bolt on.
Truelo headers = Bolt on.
Complete supercharger kit that requires nothing but removing parts and bolting on the parts = bolt on.

If it requires you to rewire the car, remove the engine,fabricate a major part is NOT bolt on.

LS1 is not bolt-on.
A cam upgrade is not bolt-on.

I take that back. a LS1 CAN be bolt on. if you buy a LS1 upgrade assembly with tranny and everything on a cradle all ready to go as well as a ECM that is tuned and setup and already wired up, that in fact would be a "bolt-on" if you could do it in your driveway in 4 hours.

too bad nobody sells that "kit"



Originally posted by mattwa:


I would say a Turbo kit would be bolt on if they included every single piece needed and there isn't internal motor work needed either, and you unbolt the old stuff, bolted on the new, put in a new PROM that came with the kit, and start it up. There you go complete bolt on. Of course those kits run extremely high prices and it's not the best idea to not beef up internals if they are known weak spots, but this is all theoretical anyway.
Originally posted by pmbrunelle:

No welding, machining, fabricating, etc = bolt-on.

bolt on turbo kit

http://www.hksusa.com/info/?id=3503

bolt on turbos

http://www.subydriver.com/fopebotufor0.html

thats just a small portion. of course i haven't found many that will say a turbo is not bolt on... because you don't need to crack open the block or take off the head to add one, which is in bolt on territory. but others will call it a gray area because SOME cars require more work than bolt on necessary to add one on (like if it didn't come with one in the first place). but its easy to find supercharger bolt-on kits, and they require the same amount of effort to add as a turbocharger.... but wait i guess that doesn't count because the 2j doesn't use a supercharger, so only a turbo doesn't count as bolt on on a car that only requires the turbo,mani,downpipe,midpipe in order to run one right? i mean.. that sonly 1 more component than it takes to bolt on an exhaust manifold and exhaust... doesn't count because your redneck knowledge says so i get it


now come back with some kind of reply about how you have to change X amount of things on the car to swap a turbo for another so it doesn't count.. and i'll point out how long it takes someone with a newer car to actually "bolt on" an exhaust manifold and exhaust system, and we can talk about time involved.

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speaking of redneck

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speaking of redneck

lol, definately. thats an oldie but a goodie
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Originally Posted by kracin
fyi... bpu means basic performance upgrades, and apu mean advanced performance upgrades.... figured your redneck common sense would catch that? nope? well look it up, it takes 2 seconds on google.
Uhhh I said that in my post, you even highlighted it...

Guess all those cars with single turbo upgrades call themselves BPU since they're bolt-on cars since it's such a basic bolt-on upgrade right?

http://www.suprastore.com/bpuwhatdoesi.html

You see, now those are bolt-ons. Good job.

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Originally Posted by kracin
if you are running a 700r4 with a .7:1 4th gear, regular sized wheels and tires (oversized from stock as well). and revving that 421 to max with those 4.08 gears, you won't even beat a bpu supra in a roll race lol, he will pass you up cause youll be topped out.
Um no..you better do some research.

You dont judge an Auto on a roll race anyways..that 700R4, if it holds up, will run the 1/4 better than a roll race.

I have a MVB TH350 in my setup that I'll dominate over a decently modded Poopra with no problem in the 1/4..and that's only a 3spd..

And if ya want to bring it to the highway my T56 setup will dominate too.

I can swap back n forth from Auto to T56 in under 4 hours..and it's a bolt-in/bolt-out setup too..get you some of that.
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by kracin
ban this joker? why not just lock this thread, its like talking to a retarded rock that cant even count to potato.
Or we send the Supra boys back to the Supra fairytale world they came from...

Now excuse me while I go drive my "bolt-on" Procharged SS. What a dipshit.
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